Monk Role needs Changes

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

I'm going to say my piece then leave.
1. Samurai is getting attention because right now it is far below where it should be and Monk is far above where it should be right now so things will likely stay the same.

2. Tornado Kick openers, from what I remember, always sucked to learn because they felt horrible since you lost all of your stacks, regardless of some Riddle of Wind buff.

3. Tackle Mastery was a joke in the community for creating one that was the same but just slightly more powerful tackle, one that was useless, and one that was situational. I also love how you keep saying "Bring back riddle of wind" but trashing abilities for being too situational.

4. you sound like someone who just figured out that Tornado Kick isn't useful in your opener and has been doing that for a while until someone pointed it out to you and you're upset about it now. Not saying that's what you are, just that you do.

5. Please spell check if you're going to type something long like this.

6. SSS is lauded by the community for being the most situational ability in this expansion. Almost as much as tackle mastery was the most useless trait.

7. I don't care if you say not to bring up downtime, I'm going to bring it up anyway. Anantman gives you chakras. Just use it during downtime. Form Shift doesn't give you chakras.

8. If you have downtime where you will lose sacks, and cannot maintain them like through Anantman or Form Shift, ditch them with Tornado Kick and save TK for that. It's not dead, just situational. EDIT: A good example might be E1 (Normal or Savage). That animation you will lose stacks and you can't do anything during it.

9. You don't get as many chakras with Brotherhood because of the crit change. It's nothing to do with anything else, afaik.

10. Overusing punctuation doesn't help emphasize points, it just pads your post making it harder to get through when you make a long one like this. One that's shorter I can forgive overuse of punctuation.

Just judging off of your comment, i can tell u didnt actually read my proposal. RoW allowed the turbo charge of gl along with the wind tackle. Allowing a strong opener that used tornado kick. If u left the opener without 3 stacks of gl u did it wrong.

Sense we lost the turbo off the opener, tornado kick jas become very situational. The pount in time u discribed is the only time i would use sss-tornado kick... but those time points are rare at best and doesnt defend the existance of the skill situation.

[Deithwen]

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It seems you are mistaken on a few points.

2. The tornado kick openers were very strong at the time, and a good use of perfect balance and riddle of wind helped us recover our stacks very quicly. Those openers were a ton better than having to rely on server tick.

3. Tackle mastery was indeed a joke at the beginning, then riddle of wind became useful and far from situational.

7. Anatman doesn't give you chakras either. It gives greased lightning stacks and freeze your current form.

9. Brotherhood does not rely on crit chances to generate chakras, it's a flat 30% chance when a party member uses a weapon skill.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

It seems you are mistaken on a few points.

2. The tornado kick openers were very strong at the time, and a good use of perfect balance and riddle of wind helped us recover our stacks very quicly. Those openers were a ton better than having to rely on server tick.

3. Tackle mastery was indeed a joke at the beginning, then riddle of wind became useful and far from situational.

7. Anatman doesn't give you chakras either. It gives greased lightning stacks and freeze your current form.

9. Brotherhood does not rely on crit chances to generate chakras, it's a flat 30% chance when a party member uses a weapon skill.

Thank you.

[Metalwrath]

Honestly i think they might need to go down the same route as summoner and dragoon with tornado kick.
Remove the need for chakras for tornado kick.Bring in a seperate button for greased lightning 4.Have it become available after you've hit a certain amount of forbidden chakra or enlightenment.Give gl4 a 30 second duration.During gl 4 let it allow you to tornado kick.Put tornado kick on lets say a 15 second cd.Bring back howling fist.Have it share a cd with tornado kick and can only be used under same conditions.Give gl4 a 60 -90 sec cd too so it cant be constantly kept up.
Change anatman to a 120 sec to 180 second cd that instantly gives you 3 stacks of gl.
Remove the no positional bonus for earths reply,remove the gl refresh from from shift.
Change riddle of fire to a 10% crit buff instead of damage bonus.
Bring pb cd back down to 60 seconds.
Then adjust the potencies around that.Bring down the bootshines bonus from dragonkick if needed.
Just make six sided star a moderate ogcd that does damage and nothing else.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

Honestly i think they might need to go down the same route as summoner and dragoon with tornado kick.
Remove the need for chakras for tornado kick.Bring in a seperate button for greased lightning 4.Have it become available after you've hit a certain amount of forbidden chakra or enlightenment.Give gl4 a 30 second duration.During gl 4 let it allow you to tornado kick.Put tornado kick on lets say a 15 second cd.Bring back howling fist.Have it share a cd with tornado kick and can only be used under same conditions.Give gl4 a 60 -90 sec cd too so it cant be constantly kept up.
Change anatman to a 120 sec to 180 second cd that instantly gives you 3 stacks of gl.
Remove the no positional bonus for earths reply,remove the gl refresh from from shift.
Change riddle of fire to a 10% crit buff instead of damage bonus.
Bring pb cd back down to 60 seconds.
Then adjust the potencies around that.Bring down the bootshines bonus from dragonkick if needed.
Just make six sided star a moderate ogcd that does damage and nothing else.

Well...if we go along with your idea here....firat as a correction tornado kick uses greased lightning, max stacked, as cost.

Next the idea of tagging gl4 in as a activatable buff under certain situations could work. If we go with the forbidden chakra skill... you could set it so that if u crit with forbidden chakra u could activate it. It would last.....say 30seconds and go on cd for 60.

An interesting idea, i think. Only thing i dont like about it is being another skill to weave in between glcd skills, but thats not such a bad thing really.

Another option being u could automaticly get it....but then that would mean u could get it every time fc crit unless u introduced a debuff that stops u from getting it until after 60sec. As well as, it not being optional...possibly going off at some point when u dont want it to, and be wasted.

Tieing tornado kick to this buff would allow u to theoretically use tornado kick twice during the gl4 buff, makeing the skill rather effective.

I would love to have howling fist back, but as it stands enlightenment is just howling fist, reskined.

I disagree with the anatman thought though. I dislike the idea of just getting all 3 stacks of gl for free... makes me think of the skill sch i think had. Aethercurrents i think....?

Im all for removing the no positionals buff for riddle of earth, it catters to lazyness and with true north, u dont have to do positionals like 75% of the time, making the class boring.

I do, however, disagree with the form shift loosing the gl refresher. To me it just feels like a natural step up, lore wise. Showing it as a form of progression to mastery. However i do feel like it should be an upgrade trait in the 70's level tree.

Totall disagreement with riddle of fire. If anything bring the potency down to 20%. Tops.

Agee to the pb walkback to 60s

And probably reduce leaded fist buff to 270 potency.

I would do sss as a ogcd instead of bring howling fist back for just damage too 30sec cooldown.

[Metalwrath]

I'm going to say my piece then leave.
1. Samurai is getting attention because right now it is far below where it should be and Monk is far above where it should be right now so things will likely stay the same.

2. Tornado Kick openers, from what I remember, always sucked to learn because they felt horrible since you lost all of your stacks, regardless of some Riddle of Wind buff.

3. Tackle Mastery was a joke in the community for creating one that was the same but just slightly more powerful tackle, one that was useless, and one that was situational. I also love how you keep saying "Bring back riddle of wind" but trashing abilities for being too situational.

4. you sound like someone who just figured out that Tornado Kick isn't useful in your opener and has been doing that for a while until someone pointed it out to you and you're upset about it now. Not saying that's what you are, just that you do.

5. Please spell check if you're going to type something long like this.

6. SSS is lauded by the community for being the most situational ability in this expansion. Almost as much as tackle mastery was the most useless trait.

7. I don't care if you say not to bring up downtime, I'm going to bring it up anyway. Anantman gives you chakras. Just use it during downtime. Form Shift doesn't give you chakras.

8. If you have downtime where you will lose sacks, and cannot maintain them like through Anantman or Form Shift, ditch them with Tornado Kick and save TK for that. It's not dead, just situational. EDIT: A good example might be E1 (Normal or Savage). That animation you will lose stacks and you can't do anything during it.

9. You don't get as many chakras with Brotherhood because of the crit change. It's nothing to do with anything else, afaik.

10. Overusing punctuation doesn't help emphasize points, it just pads your post making it harder to get through when you make a long one like this. One that's shorter I can forgive overuse of punctuation.

You should probably atleast researching the skills before commenting.

[Metalwrath]

Either way none of suggested you'll likely see this expansion.They will probably just nerf monks potency and % on buff and leave it feeling like garbage to play.Hopefully they'll rework the job properly next expansion.

[Deithwen]

Hopefully they'll rework the job properly next expansion.

I really hope, but I wouldn't count on it ... ^^'

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

Either way none of suggested you'll likely see this expansion.They will probably just nerf monks potency and % on buff and leave it feeling like garbage to play.Hopefully they'll rework the job properly next expansion.

Honestly, even if they rework it... just seeing the results of their "attempts" at expanding it... id probably just stop playing class cause they would more likely than not, destroy the monk as a whole and leave us with less than the og monk. Biggest fear.

[Lunavi]

Difference being is that through the expansions, the blm actually evolved. Monk has been the same sense ARR.

And besides i listed blm in the classes that needed t9 be fixed in one of my replys.

I don’t think BLM is in dire need of any fixes, just that we from an objective perspective is in more of a need of one and in a worse spot than MNKs, which you claim to have gotten the short end of the stick. I picked BLM as it is a class that is universally pleased this expansion and is pretty up there in terms of DPS to highlight just How good of a spot MNKs actually are in now.

Here is the thing though, there are jobs that literally could not meet the DPS requirement for Savage during those early weeks even if piloted relatively well, and you sit here saying that MNKs, the literally top DPS of the game right now, got the short end of the stick.