Monk Role needs Changes

[Silver-Strider]

Even with what you are saying being true... anatman is still out classed by form shift. Why would a monk choose to stay still it whatever position they are in and just hold form and gl instead of being mobile and be able to shift to raptorinorder to catch the boss asap to refresh twin snakes. All while still able to maintain gl without being locked in place. If ur argueing about just using it for a second then there is no reason not to use form shift. As for ur idea with sss, sure why not, if its the very last thing u could possibly do...and why not u could tornado kick aswell right after sss, and if ur in a intermission then u could theoretically do a anatman... but by this point in time your perfect balance should be off cd and it allows u to get gl4 without loss of dps.

But all this being said is if the fight doesnt have any adds coming out, if it does u effectivly cut urself off at the knee.

Because Form Shift and Anatman work in tandem with each other. Take Eden Prime for example. During phase transition into add phase, I can get SSS and Tornado Kick in before the boss disappears and there's enough time in between to get into position for adds to spawn that Anatman will build up 4 GL stacks again. Not doing so would mean that I would lose out on a huge chuck of damage from Tornado Kick on the boss as I Form Shift myself over and over again just to maintain something that Anatman would build back up in time for the adds anyway. Then immediately after Eden uses her Ultimate, I can Anatman to regain 2 stacks of GL before she becomes targettable to attack at all since I can't form shift to maintain GL during the long animation of that attack and have to build it up anyway.

Anatman has a very valid use in that fight because of that and form shift cannot replace that.

[NoctusT]

Yo, please DM me the names and quantities of whatever you people are smoking, cuz I could definitely use some of that.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

Yo, please DM me the names and quantities of whatever you people are smoking, cuz I could definitely use some of that.

I dont appreciate your condescending trollish nonsense.

There is enough of a disparaging player basis without your toxic behavior.

[BloodRubyXII]

Can someone TLDR this thread? The issue is not the amount of content, nor possibly the content itself, it's just presented in literally the messiest, worst way to digest I think I've ever come across in 6 years on these boards.

[Mahrze]

Can someone TLDR this thread? The issue is not the amount of content, nor possibly the content itself, it's just presented in literally the messiest, worst way to digest I think I've ever come across in 6 years on these boards.

OP is asking for feedback in the things they consider are issues with MNK, while missing a few points others have pointed out in replies and trying to add skills that won't fix issues while at the same time making MNK broken on other fields by adding them.


The thread has then been a back and forth of disqualifications ranging around: grammar, skills, or lack of credibility due to how they interpret some skills. Also forgot to add this is a duplicate thread from the OP.


Hope that helps.

[moxzie]

Can someone TLDR this thread? The issue is not the amount of content, nor possibly the content itself, it's just presented in literally the messiest, worst way to digest I think I've ever come across in 6 years on these boards.

OP believes that monk is clunky to play because some of it's later skills are situational (Tornado Kick, SSS, and Anatman, probably) They feel like Form Change makes some skills less useful or worthless. To fix this they want to remove skills, add five more, change the chakra system, and basically revamp the class. This is somehow ok, because all these changes would only happen in the later levels.

Because this didn't get traction in the DPS role section, where it belongs, OP made a second post here in general, saying the exact same thing.

Many people think OP is a troll, because they are asking for massive changes, after the monk just got a bunch of QoL updates and are topping the charts in damage. Not to mention the awful formatting, bad spelling, and what seem to be baiting attempts with obvious hypocrisy (saying it's everyone else that is biased.)

Oh, and people not liking these ideas is because it's a Samurai conspiracy to keep monks down. Makes perfect sense, really.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

OP believes that monk is clunky to play because some of it's later skills are situational (Tornado Kick, SSS, and Anatman, probably) They feel like Form Change makes some skills less useful or worthless. To fix this they want to remove skills, add five more, change the chakra system, and basically revamp the class. This is somehow ok, because all these changes would only happen in the later levels.

Because this didn't get traction in the DPS role section, where it belongs, OP made a second post here in general, saying the exact same thing.

Many people think OP is a troll, because they are asking for massive changes, after the monk just got a bunch of QoL updates and are topping the charts in damage. Not to mention the awful formatting, bad spelling, and what seem to be baiting attempts with obvious hypocrisy (saying it's everyone else that is biased.)

Oh, and people not liking these ideas is because it's a Samurai conspiracy to keep monks down. Makes perfect sense, really.

Says the samurai....

[Lunavi]

I stated that in the actual post, if u read it. But just cause its dps is high, doesnt mean the kit is great. There are 3 dead skills, the skill of true north and riddle of earth's earthen reply gives the monk no reason to do its positional, makeing the class utterly dull. Its got mechanical issues and sooo many repeat skill effects to refresh greasedlightning that it give the player no room for any creativity. The og rotation hasnt changed sense a realm reborn, and everything added to it after lvl 50 has been thoughtless additions with little concern for their impact onthe class, or the balance of dps.

How bout read before making careless remarks.

That litterally why monk is in the spot its in now, cause of carelessness.

I don't think you get it, some classes are literally not even being allowed into high-end content and you literally sit here and complain that MNKs have the short end of the stick because they have *gasp* 3 entire dead skills... There are classes with more dead skills than that AND that are below MNK (which, btw, if I need to repeat it ARE THE TOP DPS IN THE GAME) on the DPS ladder. There are far graver things that needs to be fixed than MNK right now in terms of class rebalancing, unless said rebalance is a direct nerf of MNKs.

[alimdia]

I wouldn't label OP as trolling though, the complaints about Anatman, Six Sided Star and Tornado Kick exist even in The Balance. The community in general tends to be less than thrilled with skills that are too situational. Also the Anatman opener was talked about even before ShB released.

The only thing is that OP shouldn't label this as some dire situation.

[Lunavi]

I wouldn't label OP as trolling though, the complaints about Anatman, Six Sided Star and Tornado Kick exist even in The Balance. The community in general tends to be less than thrilled with skills that are too situational. Also the Anatman opener was talked about even before ShB released.

The only thing is that OP shouldn't label this as some dire situation.

Yeah, and BLMs have Blizzard II, Fire II, Blizzard I, Scathe (which while it has very niche uses, still isn't used 99.9% of the cases and when it is used it is diminishing returns), Sleep, and Lucid Dreaming as dead abilities. To even make the claim that MNK is getting the short end of the stick is like claiming that you are the most unlucky person on earth because your Kobe steak is medium well instead of medium rare while your neighbor has to go through trash bins to find food for themselves and their families. Same if I would unironically sit here and claim that BLMs are in a bad spot (which they ain't) because Blizzard I is a dead abilitiy.