7 Times Rejoined and Legacy Players

[Rocl]

So Shiva was a sundered soul, now I dont know if Hvraes... consumed her soul like what happened to Lahabrea and nidhoggs eye or it was just the body he ate.

We have a sort-of answer about this from Fanfest 2018!
https://gamerescape.com/2018/12/01/f...with-koji-fox/

GE: On the official forums, you went back for some unanswered Q&A questions at one point. You talked about how Bahamut was re-materialized by his summoning. A dead thing goes into the Lifestream, it gets blended into pieces, and then people pray and that beacon draws and reassembles them somehow, even though it’s never really that thing again. So…Ysayle. She reaches out; she summons Shiva…allegedly. But, Hraesvelgr alleges that he ate Shiva and that she’s been with him the whole time. Where’s Shiva?

Koji: Well, yes, the eating part is still there. But remember how we once talked about how there could be multiple Ifrits? You’re just assembling pieces from the aether and forming them into something. There are parts of that being and parts of just regular energy in that core. It’s not all of their pieces. It’s some of the memories and then you’re filling out the rest. It’s kind of like when they find some tyrannosaurus bones and have to recreate the rest with plaster copies. It’s not the actual being. And then it dies off, and a little piece of it, while it’s existing in that form, goes back to the Lifestream.

When you’re talking about the Lifestream, there’s all this weirdness. And then it seems like every patch there’s a new way to summon a primal…but that’s not my fault! We have to keep thinking of new ways because they want special situations. But the essence is that, yeah, you’re pulling a piece of that person and filling in the rest of the energy that is formed based on what the summoner is thinking at that time.

This answer, to me, says that Shiva's soul was (at least in some part) put back into the Lifestream and Ysale was able to pull out some mote of her essence to help solidify the summoning. That is to say: Hraesvelgr doesn't have the entirety of Shiva's soul in his belly or anything.

[Erendis]

We have a sort-of answer about this from Fanfest 2018!
https://gamerescape.com/2018/12/01/f...with-koji-fox/



This answer, to me, says that Shiva's soul was (at least in some part) put back into the Lifestream and Ysale was able to pull out some mote of her essence to help solidify the summoning. That is to say: Hraesvelgr doesn't have the entirety of Shiva's soul in his belly or anything.

At least one rejoining happened after Hraesvelgar ate Shiva. If she was one of the sundered, part of her could have returned to the live stream. Even if it is not the same person, her aether should be the same (considering talk of wol's soul colour) so it could possibly be summoned.

Question remains whether she returned to livestream or Hraesvelgar's belly...

[FaerieAura]

Well, I'm not entirely sure that it's different for Legacy players versus any other players. Hasn't it been confirmed at this point that all players were canonically at Carteneau, and that Legacy players only remember it because of cosmic circumstance rather than them being there vs. 2.0 players not being there? Or is that something I've merely heard and I'm now repeating as fact?

[Rannie]

There is nothing in lore or in game that says all players legacy and non were at carteneau. I thought at one time they may have done some retconning for binding coil but if you're a non legacy player Louisouix doesnt even know who you are. The legacy players get remembered by him.

[geekgirl101]

I regret deleting my legacy character back in the day. Wish it were more of an account thing, although not entirely sure this is the same account tbh since back then I think I had a disc that cost me £4 (although I've never been able to find it so it may have been a digital download) and when I rejoined the game sometime after the betas I had to upgrade to a digital code at full retail price. Or something like that, it was so long ago and the game was barely playable for me before the betas that I didn't get very far in it. Most I saw was a "dungeon" outside Limsa which was all open area so if you weren't careful at low level you could accidentally walk into it and suddenly be faced by high level monsters, at least I think it was there. Lots of tunnels and pretty high level for me at the time but some group was quite eager to go in with me. All I remember was sheep bouncing around in the distance and warping dead at my feet, and a horrible crafting and gathering system that made completely no sense and was an RNG-fest. During the betas however I was retrying new jobs, and when the game went live I stupidly deleted my beta character to start over from scratch. I don't even think my character name comes up in the legacy character credits, can't remember what name I used back then. Might've been Kantmiss Neverseen.

[LineageRazor]

In the case of Lady Shiva, whether she's in Hraes's belly or not, I'd say that she was affected by the Rejoining. Her soul, wherever it is, is now denser. That's really all there is to it! I don't know if this is something that she OR Hraesvalgr would notice (assuming Shiva is still self-aware at all).

The densening of souls doesn't seem to have been something noticeable to anyone else, so I doubt it'd be noticeable to her, either.

On the topic of summoning Shiva requiring bits of Lady Shiva's soul - I don't think it's been established that that's the case. Shiva was constructed wholly from Ysayle's imagination, using random bits of Lifestream Aether. There was nothing that seemed to indicate that the Primal Shiva had any kind of "memories" from long ago - or, in fact, that she had any memories that Ysayle herself did not have. She was Ysayles idealized vision of Shiva, and totally unconnected from the original Shiva.

Perhaps, however, if Shiva was summoned again, by heretics or their descendants, the newly-summoned Shiva might include bits of Aether from the previous summoning of Shiva. It's sort of implied that Primals have a kind of "persistence" in the Lifestream that makes it so that an entirely new being is not being summoned every time the Primal is summoned; that they have a kind of continuity to them.

As a matter of fact, I think this might be a big part of the reason why the WoL's summoning of Titan and Leviathan came out so differently. There were no persistent bits of those Primals floating around the First's Lifestream to give the Primals a consistent shape. If the WoL had tried the same trick on the Source, it's possible he might have gotten the Titan and Leviathan we know.

I regret deleting my legacy character back in the day.

If it's any consolation, I believe you didn't get any of the cool "legacy" benefits unless you'd done a significant amount of progression through the game. So your character, if you hadn't deleted it, wouldn't have the legacy tatoo, or the special cutscenes, or whatever.

[Atamis]

Was Bahamut an actual calamity? It seems to have only effected parts of Eorzea rather than the entire world. Perhaps this is in part to being stopped prematurely and dissipating most of the aether before trying to reassemble it as found out in Coil. Where does it state it was a shard absorbing level of calamity? Just seems the amount of aether something would theoretically need to have to destroy something on a planet wide scale wouldn't just wiff away as Bahamut did. The entire planet on the First turned to light except an Eorzea sized chunk, and yet Bahamut didn't even damage an Eorzea sized chunk on the source.
Maybe whatever shard that was intended to absorb is in some reverse stage of destruction even now, having just parts and sections ripped apart.

[ObsidianFire]

Bahamut was definetly a Calamity/Rejoining. The reason why it seems to be a smidge "gentler" then some of the other Calamities we've read about was because of Lousioux's involvement and Phoenix revitalizing the land by accident.

The Ascians who know what a Rejoining is certainly think it was a Rejoining and Emet-Slech is counting it when he talks about how many Shards have been Rejoined to the Source.

[Rannie]

Weren't most, if not all, of the Calamities centered on the continent of Aldenard anyway? I dont have my lore book here with me at work but I think it mentioned something to that extent. Especially with Eorzea being basically ground zero most of the time.

[Daralii]

Weren't most, if not all, of the Calamities centered on the continent of Aldenard anyway? I dont have my lore book here with me at work but I think it mentioned something to that extent. Especially with Eorzea being basically ground zero most of the time.

The Calamity of Ice reached Meracydia, but yes. I don't know if that's pure coincidence, a result of Silvertear's existence, or deliberate on the part of the Ascians. The Exarch established that Doma was destroyed by the 8th in the dark future, but considering it was still grassy in the image that popped up, I'd guess it was just a societal collapse.