Monk Changes

[Katie_Kitty]

You do realize that Monk is the one job in the game that even comes close to competing with BLM damage in high end content right? Including the utility they bring, Monk is arguably the strongest job in the game, far stronger than it has any business being. I can't believe y'all have the nerve to sit here and complain about getting "the short end of the stick" when you're playing monk of all jobs.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

Wether its stronge or not doesnt change the fact that its skill for 70 to 80 are trash, why are you so hateful at someone else trying to get their class out of the gutter and away from useless skills? Whats so wrong with asking to get my favorite class fixed? Whats with all the hostility? All i see is people hate the monk, why? What authority do u have to say it has no reason to be as strong as it is? I ask for a real look at what i said not any of this bias nonsense.

[Katie_Kitty]

Wether its stronge or not doesnt change the fact that its skill for 70 to 80 are trash, why are you so hateful at someone else trying to get their class out of the gutter and away from useless skills? Whats so wrong with asking to get my favorite class fixed? Whats with all the hostility? All i see is people hate the monk, why? What authority do u have to say it has no reason to be as strong as it is? I ask for a real look at what i said not any of this bias nonsense.

Monk is not "in the gutter." Monk is one of the best jobs in the games. Instead of complaining about it, why don't you try to learn how to play the job so you can realize how good it is.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

Monk is not "in the gutter." Monk is one of the best jobs in the games. Instead of complaining about it, why don't you try to learn how to play the job so you can realize how good it is.

I do know how to play the job, quite well. Which is why ive given my insight on how the monk should be changed, u would know this if u actually read the post instead of rage posting against something u are clearly biast against

[waterboytkd]

Monk is not "in the gutter." Monk is one of the best jobs in the games. Instead of complaining about it, why don't you try to learn how to play the job so you can realize how good it is.

I didn't read the OPs post (that formatting), but monk is not well designed right now. Yes, it's numbers are too high, but that doesn't stop the fact that it has two skills (which were supposed to be capstone skills, coming at levels 60 and 80) which are almost dead now that Form Shift got it's buff. Then it has another high level skill (Anatman) whose original purpose has also been obviated by Form Shift, but is still used in the opener to get a quick, free stack of GL (by correctly timing it with *server ticks*), which everyone is certain was not the intent behind the skill.

The class needs some serious work done on it. And yes, that also probably includes bringing its personal dps down. But just because it's OP doesn't mean it's well designed.

[Katie_Kitty]

I didn't read the OPs post (that formatting), but monk is not well designed right now. Yes, it's numbers are too high, but that doesn't stop the fact that it has two skills (which were supposed to be capstone skills, coming at levels 60 and 80) which are almost dead now that Form Shift got it's buff. Then it has another high level skill (Anatman) whose original purpose has also been obviated by Form Shift, but is still used in the opener to get a quick, free stack of GL (by correctly timing it with *server ticks*), which everyone is certain was not the intent behind the skill.

The class needs some serious work done on it. And yes, that also probably includes bringing its personal dps down. But just because it's OP doesn't mean it's well designed.

Okay so it's not perfect, but that doesn't mean it needs anything, really. Monk has gotten enough attention and at this point the devs should not spare it a single second of thought. Other classes have problems, too. Heck, my favorite class got literally nothing from levels 70 - 80 except a couple situational skills (one of which you'd actually prefer not to use at all unless necessary, and the other of questionable value when the RDM is skilled). It's not until lvl80 that we got an actual useful skill and that's just something they tacked onto the end of verflare/holy. We even lost impact which is a big deal and makes us slaves to RNG.

The point is that no job is perfect except maybe black mage, almost every job has flaws or issues with their rotations, and Monk should be right down at the bottom of the priority list while square goes about the business of correcting this game's terrible job balance.

[Metalwrath]

Wether its stronge or not doesnt change the fact that its skill for 70 to 80 are trash, why are you so hate at somrome else trying to get their class out of the gutter and away from useless skills? Whats so wrong with asking to get my favorite class fixed? Whats with all the hostility? All i see is people hate the monk, why? What authority do u have to say it has no reason to be as strong as it is? I ask for a real look at what i said not any of this bias nonsense.

As a long time monk i hate what they've done to the job.They made it boring and dumbed it down while making it OP with the last patch.
None of this is relevant to the fact that your suggestions are over the top for changing the job.WHat you've suggested wont fix the job it would just make it broken in different ways.
There's a difference between wanting the job to be fun again and making up your own version of monk without considering balance and saying 'the dev's would balance it after' like it somehow just works that way.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

As a long time monk i hate what they've done to the job.They made it boring and dumbed it down while making it OP with the last patch.
None of this is relevant to the fact that your suggestions are over the top for changing the job.WHat you've suggested wont fix the job it would just make it broken in different ways.
There's a difference between wanting the job to be fun again and making up your own version of monk without considering balance and saying 'the dev's would balance it after' like it somehow just works that way.

I agree with what ur saying, and im aware of the issue, all ive writen is in full expectation of starting strong, but afterwards being dialed back in subsequent balancing patches. It would give a fun addition back to the monk. Just take aome time to get it right.

[moxzie]

I find it really hard to believe someone who misspells so much is anything but a troll. Especially since the forums spellcheck for you. Also, that formatting is so horrible that I doubt you'll find many people masochistic enough to read it all.

Assuming you're actually serious, I agree that the class does feel clunky to play. I like all the positional attacks but keeping up leaden fists, demolish and twin-snakes on top of dealing with greased lightning just doesn't flow right with me. It's very possible that this isn't a fault of the class so much as I just personally don't like how it plays.

There are also abilities that don't seem to have a well designed purpose or get used in ways that I doubt were intended (Anatman fishing.)

Ultimately, even if everyone agreed that the skills don't flow as well as they could and that some skills are practically worthless, your massive redesign isn't going to happen. Minor tweaks, maybe a skill dropped or added, and potency changes are about all you can reasonably expect.

[monk-dps]

I find it really hard to believe someone who misspells so much is anything but a troll. Especially since the forums spellcheck for you. Also, that formatting is so horrible that I doubt you'll find many people masochistic enough to read it all.

Assuming you're actually serious, I agree that the class does feel clunky to play. I like all the positional attacks but keeping up leaden fists, demolish and twin-snakes on top of dealing with greased lightning just doesn't flow right with me. It's very possible that this isn't a fault of the class so much as I just personally don't like how it plays.

There are also abilities that don't seem to have a well designed purpose or get used in ways that I doubt were intended (Anatman fishing.)

Ultimately, even if everyone agreed that the skills don't flow as well as they could and that some skills are practically worthless, your massive redesign isn't going to happen. Minor tweaks, maybe a skill dropped or added, and potency changes are about all you can reasonably expect.

Huh? The forums doesn't spellcheck for me... not on my phone or PS4. So what kindof settings are you seeing that does this spellcheck? Cause I never seen it.