Samurai - Kaiten Issue

[Kabooa]

Meikyo Shisui lets excute 3 weaponskill combos without meeting prerequisites, which mean you get combo potencies AND combo bonuses.

If Meikyo Shisui, Hissatsu: Senei, and Tsubame-gaeshi are all on cooldown then yes..

Your Kenki order is Kaiten >= Senei > Seigan(lol) > Shinten. There is no point where using Kaiten on combo finishers is a gain over just using Shinten.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Your Kenki order is Kaiten >= Senei > Seigan(lol) > Shinten. There is no point where using Kaiten on combo finishers is a gain over just using Shinten.

I don't use Seigan because it's not worth the damage from it and Merciful Eyes is better because it is a self heal but you know server ticks are...


But Shinten I use when not in Meikyo Shisui burst and when Senei is not up, but again; the 1 second recast Kaiten might not be around for 5.1...

[Shurrikhan]

I don't use Seigan because it's not worth the damage from it and Merciful Eyes is better because it is a self heal but you know server ticks are...

But Shinten I use when not in Meikyo Shisui burst and when Senei is not up, but again; the 1 second recast Kaiten might not be around for 5.1...

So you're costing yourself 28 potency up to every 15 seconds, a little over 100 ppm, so you can heal yourself for miniscule amounts that would have been AoE healed anyways? When our enmity generation was absurd, Merciful Eyes was indeed the greater rDPS without a NIN, but now... I have to wonder why you'd take Eyes over Seigan if, for instance, you were to flush one completely off your bar.

There's also no reason not to use Shinten in Meikyo Shisui burst. If you're running the 2s build, for instance, those 3 GCDs should be among the 5 inside of Trick Attack, but so should as much oGCD damage as possible. Every other minute, that's going to mean maximum Shinten usage (and a Seigan, if the opportunity arises, though it's better used for getting you precisely to 85/90/95 before that burst). ..If you honestly mean you're using Kaiten on the MKSS finishers... don't. That's costing you at least 16 potency for Gekko/Kasha and more for Yukikaze, all to have a faintly more unwieldy animation.

All that really is less of a "bloat" thing and more of a "refusal to use".