Maybe RDM need....

[SaberMaxwell]

And what do you believe is my goal?

Raising Red Mage's allowable DPS by reducing the effect the raise tax has on it. What is your goal?

Option for RDM to increase dps when dps is needed and healing/verrise is not needed + Option to kept being supportive with verrise/heal for a practice party.

Will Black Mages and Summoners, likewise, get updates to their kits to answer this new Red Mage paradigm?

You don't seem to get it at all. Vercure is very important but NOT for the cure itself. It is important because casting vercure gives you dualcast which allows you to use a strong spell right away without cast time. Good RDMs will always use a vercure during periods where there are no enemies to attack so that they can immediately hit it with a verthunder or veraero as soon as the boss comes back. It's got nothing to do with the cure itself.

They're probably going to respond about how I brought up vercure as Red Mage's only self-recovery tool and answer to abilities like manaward/bloodbath/second wind.

Yes. I don't get why somebody want to keep it when it didn't even help that much instead of asking for alt way. You get to use it 1-2 times in ES1 and not at all in ES2.

Usable every maelstrom in es3, (twice) and in every transition in e4s (three times); in addition, usable every car phase that pushes you out of casting range in there. So four times in e4s.

Shall we talk Ultimate? UCoB: usable in every single transition phase save for the last; so four (Twin to Nael, Nael to Bahamut, Bahamut to TwinNael); usable every trio (Quickmarch, Blackfire, Fellruin, Tenstrike). So, 8 uses as a base in UCoB. UWU? Usable every transition (Garuda to Ifrit, Ifrit to Titan, Titan to Laha, Laha to Ultima); usable whenever Garuda jumps (two-three times, been a while), usable whenever Ifrit goes invuln / jumps (twice); usable whenever Titan jumps (twice); usable whenever Ultima weapon goes untargetable (Ultimate Predation, Ultimate Suppression). So we'll call it 12 uses?

It's on the player to find when and where it's useful in a fight. Why not ask for an alternative? Because there's no need for an alternative, it's useless bloat to ask for something that does exactly what we use vercure to do because you're on some crusade against vercure.

[cactuarzzzz]

Raising Red Mage's allowable DPS by reducing the effect the raise tax has on it. What is your goal?

Option for RDM to increase dps when dps is needed but healing/verrise is not needed + Option to kept being supportive with verrise/heal for a practice party.

[Katie_Kitty]

And why do you need vercure when

in ES1 you have melee who can take prey debuff from you

in ES2 no melee who got second wind/bloodbath need to use it if healer is competent.

You said vercure is just a cure 1 and imply it's insignificant but then you kinda contradicted yourself by saying if you can't use this weak heal in raid it is a big deal.

You don't seem to get it at all. Vercure is very important but NOT for the cure itself. It is important because casting vercure gives you dualcast which allows you to use a strong spell right away without cast time. Good RDMs will always use a vercure during periods where there are no enemies to attack so that they can immediately hit it with a verthunder or veraero as soon as the boss comes back. It's got nothing to do with the cure itself.

[MPNZ]

No, RDM does not need to become a BLM and die to a single lizard in Ahm Aerang or one of the purple ochu's in the fringes during early progression every expansion...

[cactuarzzzz]

You don't seem to get it at all. Vercure is very important but NOT for the cure itself. It is important because casting vercure gives you dualcast which allows you to use a strong spell right away without cast time. Good RDMs will always use a vercure during periods where there are no enemies to attack so that they can immediately hit it with a verthunder or veraero as soon as the boss comes back. It's got nothing to do with the cure itself.

And why not asking for alt way instead of relying on transition for doing that? I don't see it is effective way at least in ES2.

[Katie_Kitty]

And why not asking for alt way instead of relying on transition for doing that? I don't see it is effective way at least in ES2.

E2S has no downtime. Of course there's no need to use it there.

[cactuarzzzz]

E2S has no downtime. Of course there's no need to use it there.

Yes. I don't get why somebody want to keep it when it didn't even help that much instead of asking for alt way. You get to use it 1-2 times in ES1 and not at all in ES2.

[Seferex]

As i already stated somewhere,first of all buff rdm dps so that it is in line with smn, then just give a 60s debuff each time rdm use verraise:
1 stack no debuff,
2 stacks -10% on INT,
3 stacks -15% and so on (ofc need to balance these values)...

Problem solved.

And please stop to talk about vercure... Its a joke to want to nerf rdm dps just for that (as others stated its more used to proc dual cast).

[HyoMinPark]

Yes. I don't get why somebody want to keep it when it didn't even help that much instead of asking for alt way. You get to use it 1-2 times in ES1 and not at all in ES2.

You get to use it twice in E3S and thrice in E4S. If we want to talk Ultimates, you get to use it even more frequently during transitions. But you’re wanting to remove it based on the single, full-uptime fight in this entire tier? Why are you not considering the other three in your suggestion? There’s no reason to lock it out in general, but you’re trying to apply an exception as support for your proposition, rather than looking at the norm (which would be the other fights where you get usages from the skill).

[Duskane]

nothing wrong with Vercure
and Verraise is only a issue if the devs consider it some end all be all Utility that hold it back

What RDM needed is to learn decent things from 72-78 that improves upon the job and not keep it pretty much exactly the same