Is Blm gonna be the only accepted range option now? :(

[Akiudo]

This isn't true. This is what it says in the 5.0 patch notes

"Players will now receive a 1% increase to strength, vitality, dexterity, mind, and intelligence for each unique role in their party, up to a maximum of 5%". This means you'll get a 1% buff to all of these stats by having 1 of each up to 5 to times and the current meta seems to be deciding on 4% and an extra BLM/melee dps do to the inherent disparity

1% of a party doing 80k is 800 rdps that can be attributed to each role so ranged would be their base rdps plus 800. the problem is this 800 dps plus their base is still lower than what BLM and melee are capable of and thats why we're here

one thing i would also like to point out that gets ignored 90% of the time right now is that there is zero reason why 2 melee/1 ranged/1 magical should be a more meta composition by default than 1 melee/1 ranged /2magical, or 1 melee/2 ranged/1 magical, considering we are at 4/3/3 melee/phys ranged/magic ranged, like one could argue an enforced 2/1/1 meta gives 50% of the slots to 40% of the classes.

obviously these numbers cant be balanced out as they are with their uneven distribution, but as is,even 3 melees may be a more meta combo than 2/1/1, allways and no matter if 2 blm could beat out other 1caster/1phys ranged combos, literally taking 3 melees and a blm and letting one of the melees be afk for 5% of the fight due to some random ass mechanic is so viable it may theoretically at least come out as the meta comp if 2 blms weren't a possiblity whereas having 3 ranged or 2 non blm casters is not simply "not meta" but more like "dumpsterfire"

[Wayfinder3]

one thing i would also like to point out that gets ignored 90% of the time right now is that there is zero reason why 2 melee/1 ranged/1 magical should be a more meta composition by default than 1 melee/1 ranged /2magical, or 1 melee/2 ranged/1 magical, considering we are at 4/3/3 melee/phys ranged/magic ranged, like one could argue an enforced 2/1/1 meta gives 50% of the slots to 40% of the classes. obviously these numbers cant be balanced out as they are with their uneven distribution, but as it even 3 melees may be a more meta combo than 2/1/1, allways and no matter if 2 blm could beat out other 1caster/1phys ranged combos, literally taking 3 melees and a blm and letting one of the melees be afk for 5% of the fight due to some random ass mechanic is so viable it may theoretically at least come out as the meta comp if 2 blms weren't a possiblity whereas having 3 ranged or 2 non blm casters is not simply "not meta" but more like "dumpsterfire"

Nobody is ignoring this, Melee is just so overtuned right now that taking any less than 2 is trolling your group or you truly don't care. Post like this are only trying to defend the idea that at the very least. all 5 roles should be represented in this games metagame in some way and double BLM or triple melee BLM is in direct contrast to this belief as this would exclude an entire role

[Akiudo]

Nobody is ignoring this, Melee is just so overtuned right now that taking any less than 2 is trolling your group or you truly don't care. Post like this are only trying to defend the idea that at the very least. all 5 roles should be represented in this games metagame in some way and double BLM or triple melee BLM is in direct contrast to this belief as this would exclude an entire role

but thats what it ends up if people use the role bonus to justify bringing a class, which people have done more than once in the last couple days, because if the role bonus is the only reason to bring a physical ranged or a caster (even if it is enough of a reason) than double physical ranged/casters (or even 3 ranged in total) are completly unviable, and while i don't think that in itself is a problem it becomes a problem if 2 melees are basically locked and 3 are at least viable

[Wayfinder3]

but thats what it ends up if people use the role bonus to justify bringing a class, which people have done more than once in the last couple days, because if the role bonus is the only reason to bring a physical ranged or a caster (even if it is enough of a reason) than double physical ranged/casters (or even 3 ranged in total) are completly unviable, and while i don't think that in itself is a problem it becomes a problem if 2 melees are basically locked and 3 are at least viable

the only reason why this isn't saying anything is because, Melee don't offer much more than ranged do as far as utility. the Role is just better than every other role with the exception of BLM. if ranged were swapped with melee, it would be BLM, 2 of DNC/BRD/MCH, and the last would be the strongest melee or a 3rd ranged. Melee are assured 2 slots because they're just better than the other alternatives right now by at least 8% to 10% rdps

[Akiudo]

the only reason why this isn't saying anything is because, Melee don't offer much more than ranged do as far as utility. the Role is just better than every other role with the exception of BLM. if ranged were swapped with melee, it would be BLM, 2 of DNC/BRD/MCH, and the last would be the strongest melee or a 3rd ranged. Melee are assured 2 slots because they're just better than the other alternatives right now by at least 8% to 10% rdps

thats basically my point, i was simply pointing out that this is a reason why using the role bonus is a bad justification, like i don't say the role bonus is a bad thing, its their to encourage some balance and obviously not all classes will be perfectly balanced ever, its just that at least some people argue that the role bonus is a good fix to imbalance in a "if they are only 6% worse than role bonus will fix it" way, which is not really true, thats the point where the role bonus is enough to "enforce" 1 phys ranged/1caster, but not nearly the point where this blatant imbalance disappers.

If all casters/ranged where 5% below the lowest melee the role bonus would work in the "take one of these" sense, it would however not make things like double physical ranged any more viable which while i don't think is necessarely "bad" i really don't see a reason why 2/1/1 melee/phys/ranged should be encouraged more than 1/2/1 or maybe even 2/2 for example (that would require combining the caster/ranged phys bonus but i personally wouldn't mind that, its basically the same slot at this point anyways)