Is Blm gonna be the only accepted range option now? :(

[Wayfinder3]

Magical and physical range have their own roles. Its one for magical, physical range,melee,tank,healer.

I know that, the information in your first post was incorrect, you said you need all of them to the full 5%. in actuality, you get the buffs as you fill the requirements and gain as much as you have. otherwise we'd be talking about taking 2 BLM at the expense of 32k dps assuming the rdps is 80k. nobody in there right mind would do what you claimed it was.
you get 1% for caster, melee, ranged, healer, and tank for a total of 5%. it's not a all different for 5%, it's a 1% for all per different up to 5 times

Actually. You need to have a physical ranged to get the full 5% .
MCH DPS is fine honestly. I was in a es2 and the mch
Was only 1k behind me.
The better question is, will blm be the only accepted magical range?
Because I haven't seen any rdm in Savage and hardly smn.
Only BLM.

first post for context

[xxvaynxx]

I know that, the information in your first post was incorrect, you said you need all of them to the full 5%. in actuality, you get the buffs as you fill the requirements and gain as much as you have. otherwise we'd be talking about taking 2 BLM at the expense of 32k dps assuming the rdps is 80k. nobody in there right mind would do what you claimed it was.
you get 1% for caster, melee, ranged, healer, and tank for a total of 5%. it's not a all different for 5%, it's a 1% for all per different up to 5 times




first post for context

Uhh yeah? that's what I mean.
I said you needed one of each role to have the full 5%.
I didn't say each role gives 5% unless I'm reading what you said wrong.

[Akiudo]

This isn't true. This is what it says in the 5.0 patch notes

"Players will now receive a 1% increase to strength, vitality, dexterity, mind, and intelligence for each unique role in their party, up to a maximum of 5%". This means you'll get a 1% buff to all of these stats by having 1 of each up to 5 to times and the current meta seems to be deciding on 4% and an extra BLM/melee dps do to the inherent disparity

1% of a party doing 80k is 800 rdps that can be attributed to each role so ranged would be their base rdps plus 800. the problem is this 800 dps plus their base is still lower than what BLM and melee are capable of and thats why we're here

one thing i would also like to point out that gets ignored 90% of the time right now is that there is zero reason why 2 melee/1 ranged/1 magical should be a more meta composition by default than 1 melee/1 ranged /2magical, or 1 melee/2 ranged/1 magical, considering we are at 4/3/3 melee/phys ranged/magic ranged, like one could argue an enforced 2/1/1 meta gives 50% of the slots to 40% of the classes.

obviously these numbers cant be balanced out as they are with their uneven distribution, but as is,even 3 melees may be a more meta combo than 2/1/1, allways and no matter if 2 blm could beat out other 1caster/1phys ranged combos, literally taking 3 melees and a blm and letting one of the melees be afk for 5% of the fight due to some random ass mechanic is so viable it may theoretically at least come out as the meta comp if 2 blms weren't a possiblity whereas having 3 ranged or 2 non blm casters is not simply "not meta" but more like "dumpsterfire"

[Wayfinder3]

one thing i would also like to point out that gets ignored 90% of the time right now is that there is zero reason why 2 melee/1 ranged/1 magical should be a more meta composition by default than 1 melee/1 ranged /2magical, or 1 melee/2 ranged/1 magical, considering we are at 4/3/3 melee/phys ranged/magic ranged, like one could argue an enforced 2/1/1 meta gives 50% of the slots to 40% of the classes. obviously these numbers cant be balanced out as they are with their uneven distribution, but as it even 3 melees may be a more meta combo than 2/1/1, allways and no matter if 2 blm could beat out other 1caster/1phys ranged combos, literally taking 3 melees and a blm and letting one of the melees be afk for 5% of the fight due to some random ass mechanic is so viable it may theoretically at least come out as the meta comp if 2 blms weren't a possiblity whereas having 3 ranged or 2 non blm casters is not simply "not meta" but more like "dumpsterfire"

Nobody is ignoring this, Melee is just so overtuned right now that taking any less than 2 is trolling your group or you truly don't care. Post like this are only trying to defend the idea that at the very least. all 5 roles should be represented in this games metagame in some way and double BLM or triple melee BLM is in direct contrast to this belief as this would exclude an entire role

[Akiudo]

Nobody is ignoring this, Melee is just so overtuned right now that taking any less than 2 is trolling your group or you truly don't care. Post like this are only trying to defend the idea that at the very least. all 5 roles should be represented in this games metagame in some way and double BLM or triple melee BLM is in direct contrast to this belief as this would exclude an entire role

but thats what it ends up if people use the role bonus to justify bringing a class, which people have done more than once in the last couple days, because if the role bonus is the only reason to bring a physical ranged or a caster (even if it is enough of a reason) than double physical ranged/casters (or even 3 ranged in total) are completly unviable, and while i don't think that in itself is a problem it becomes a problem if 2 melees are basically locked and 3 are at least viable

[Dogempire]

Actually. You need to have a physical ranged to get the full 5% .
MCH DPS is fine honestly. I was in a es2 and the mch
Was only 1k behind me.
The better question is, will blm be the only accepted magical range?
Because I haven't seen any rdm in Savage and hardly smn.
Only BLM.

At the moment machinist is the 3rd lowest in terms of rdps just above dancer and red mage, both of which are in need of buffs, compared to it being 3rd or 4th in rdps at the beginning of shadowbringers, and considering it's a selfish dps, no, the dps is not fine.

Also your personal anecdotes don't invalidate the obvious need for buffs other classes have. A good machinist should be able to compete with a good samurai, they're both selfish dps, the only difference being that one has almost 100% uptime while the other might lose 3-4% uptime due to mechanics.

[ShivaTairo]

Actually. You need to have a physical ranged to get the full 5% .
MCH DPS is fine honestly. I was in a es2 and the mch
Was only 1k behind me.
The better question is, will blm be the only accepted magical range?
Because I haven't seen any rdm in Savage and hardly smn.
Only BLM.

This
I am almost never out dps'd on mch and when I am (rarely) it's always a blm

Mch is good.
Others, not so much.

[Katie_Kitty]

This
I am almost never out dps'd on mch and when I am (rarely) it's always a blm

Mch is good.
Others, not so much.

You guys know your personal experience doesn't override a comparison between actual numbers from many many points of data that have been uploaded on fflogs, right? Just because you may be, for example, a 75th percentile MCH who out-DPS's 20th percentile Monks and Dragoons doesn't mean you won't get absolutely obliterated by a similarly-skilled Monk or Dragoon.

[Dogempire]

This
I am almost never out dps'd on mch and when I am (rarely) it's always a blm

Mch is good.
Others, not so much.

Not really, but since we're going to bring personal anecdotes into this, my 78th percentile machinist did 455 less rdps than a 52nd percentile monk this week in E2S, and 500 rdps lower in E3S (72nd percentile machinist vs 30th percentile monk for E3S).

I can outdps people in only Eden normal gear and extreme trial accessories/weapons all day, but if there's a monk, dragoon, black mage, or samurai with gear close to mine (i463 with an i470 wep) and they know how to play their class short of facerolling their keyboard, there's no way in hell I'm going to beat them, even with a perfect rotation and no mistakes.