Is Blm gonna be the only accepted range option now? :(

[Renryuu]

So with several topics talking about how low dps the physical ranged and Smn and rdm are in comparison to the rest of the jobs, do you think people are only gonna allow Blms for groups now and ignore all other ranged jobs? I know since Shb release, on Famfrit, no one has been wanting physical ranged dps and have only wanted melee and casters, but with the 5.08 now out and a bigger gap in dps apparently created, I'm guessing it'll only be time before even Smn and Rdm will be not wanted. I've been playing Mch and have gotten to a competent level of skill with it (apparently I parse 10k+ dps from what I'm told), but what hope do I have if I'm gonna have an even harder time now that the dps gap is getting bigger. I've been trying to play Blm, but I suck at managing moving with it while I'm able to dodge most mechanics as Mch unless I'm unfamiliar with the mechanic or I have a derp moment.

I'm just getting flustered since I finally have a job I can play well and love and it is apparently going into the trash in favor of a job I'm the worst at. x_x

[Heliantheae]

Every job is viable. If a group is forcing people to play jobs they're not good with, I don't see them making it to the end of the first lockout. Cause they will wipe and wipe. And wipe. Get annoyed because they have da Meta. Start shifting blame and arguing and the whole thing will fall apart. Was in a FC that happened. I can't remember the specifics, but someone was forced on DRG and a healer was forced off WHM to AST. And when they wiped, it exploded out of party chat and into the FC. They were the lowest being on jobs they're not familiar with and yeah. Keep playing what you enjoy.

[Kabooa]

if you're not speedkilling you can play whatever you want.

[Wayfinder3]

Tl;dr, Yes and No. dps wise, there is no reason to take any of the others over 1 BLM with the exception of wanting caster Rez. however, in wanting caster Rez. there comes a reason to take something other than BLM. so basically, early prog is the only place where BLM isn't dominating or in groups who just don't care. Melee and BLM are so much better than everything else, that if it wasn't double BLM, it'd be Triple Melee and BLM before any of the other ranged/casters got a chance

going to actually answer your question besides telling you to play what you want and that everything is viable because while it's true that everything is viable. you're still going to run into instances where PFs omit your slot for no real reason. SAMs got this hard in SB and RDM tends to get it about a month or so once PF gets more experienced and players start caring about their parses but not actually willing to speed kill. your "0 chest fun runs" or "Page runs"

[Misutoraru]

My own group are full FC group, we arent hardcore who race to be first clear
but then if I am doing it with pug or random players, I would want as much DPS as possible, more DPS->less fight time->less mechanic->less chance anyone make mistake->less chance of a wipe.
I have seen some group exclude specific job, i have see multiple group specifically "No RDM" in first week
Meta will always be there, is how much the gap between the top job and lower one, big enough to exclude lowest job or small enough most players wont even care

[Lambdafish]

Every job is viable. If a group is forcing people to play jobs they're not good with, I don't see them making it to the end of the first lockout.

Yes and no, In a scenario where a group of bad melees and BLM can clear whereas a group of ranged physical, RDM, and NIN can't, then you have a serious problem. Yes, the disparity is that bad, DRG, MNK and BLM are several thousand DPS above the competition, and that really adds up.

[xxvaynxx]

Actually. You need to have a physical ranged to get the full 5% .
MCH DPS is fine honestly. I was in a es2 and the mch
Was only 1k behind me.
The better question is, will blm be the only accepted magical range?
Because I haven't seen any rdm in Savage and hardly smn.
Only BLM.

[Cetonis]

People who lock BLM + triple melee in their PFs / static recruitments are fools. But, you will see them.

You can't hide the job imbalances from people - word will get around, especially now that the rDPS graph looks oh so convenient, and the asterisks of "but a great player of any job is fine, but everything can clear, but the party bonuses closes much of the gap, but this but that" never survive the sea of word of mouth.

Unfortunately, as predictable as this outcome has been since launch, SE only seems inclined to respond to balance issues once things are actually in flames, so we're left to stick it out and wait for them to get their heads out of the sand.

And yet, the more people keep their chins up and keep playing the weaker dps, the less likely it is that SE will think there's a problem. "Lots of people are happy playing these jobs, so things are fine." We've seen it happen to i.e. WHM in the past.

So there are some circles arguing that it's actually good to stoke the flames and discourage people from playing ranged and etc., because SE's given us little cause to trust that they'll get their act together otherwise. A fine mess this is.

[MPNZ]

Only to like players who worship the meta without understanding why, or players who want to min-max in order to speed run or world-firsts. It'd basically why tanks would meld strength or collect DPS gear in the previous expansions versus emulators who see it as to why they totally suck and not that there is no need to have large HP pools once they've reached a certain percentile, perfected group coordination, and memorized the boss patterns that incoming damage has been mitigated enough that lower vitality and higher strength becomes preferred. VIT for pugs/prog, and STR for when everyone knows what to do, is sync, and pushing a clear/speed-run

[Wyti]

Most of the locked jobs were for the first few weeks of savage where PF parties had legitimates issues to meet enrage requirement, so locking jobs was seen as a solution.

Now with the recent melee buff I can see groups locking 2 melee spots because they are so far ahead of everyone else. But with 2 melee and the current gear you can meet enrage with any 6 players left.

Speedkill group on the other hand will probably figure out something like 3 melee + BLM or 2 melee + 2 BLM and I hope they do because thats sadly necessary to help SE notice the issue we have right now.