Thread: 5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

From what i gathered those saying it's fine aren't talking about balance, but replying to people insisting it's impossible to clear with any job. Which is very confusing for reasons that it's a thread about balance and nobody is insisting that you cant ^^

Originally Posted by AikenDrum

From what i gathered those saying it's fine aren't talking about balance, but replying to people insisting it's impossible to clear with any job. Which is very confusing for reasons that it's a thread about balance and nobody is insisting that you cant ^^

Is it impossible to clear with X jobs or X comps?
No, you can clear with every 2 Tank / 2 Healers / 4 DPS comp

The problem is that some comps using BLM, MNK, DRG, NIN and/or SAM will have a much easier time clearing content.
Ranged DPS, SMN and RDM are taxed for utility/mobility that doesn't lives up to the cost.

The other problem is that a bad MNK, BLM, DRG will do as much DPS as a ranged DPS/RDM/SMN, not rewarding their skill and job optimisation.

You have the argument that since all jobs can clear so nobody should care, that the tax is deserved.
And you have the argument that ranged/SMN/RDM's effort should be rewarded as much as any melee effort.

For example about a "random" (One of the worst, I have to admit) FFLog Report on E4S:
Machinist - 71th percentile - 12.678 rDPS
Black Mage - 21th Percentile - 12.325 rDPS
Monk - 13th Percentile - 12.510 rDPS
Dragoon - 13th Percentile - 12.256 rDPS

In other words, if their Black mage was a SMN/RDM or their MNK/DRG was a SAM/NIN they wouldn't have cleared E4S.
Jobs DPS disparity is so big that if you can't do the mechanics right, shifting your comp to the highest DPS job becomes a pass for the clear.

Yes, i know that Balance and ability to clear are mostly unrelated, i.e. all jobs could be able to clear and be balanced, all jobs could be able to clear and be unbalanced, neither jobs could be able to clear and be balanced/unbalanced (though i guess content difficulty would be unbalanced in this case), and there could be a case where only some jobs would be able to clear and not other, but with current dps requirements for SE to screw up that badly there'd need to be a dps job doing literally 0 dps, thought i think it could still be able to clear?

Originally Posted by AikenDrum

Yes, i know that Balance and ability to clear are mostly unrelated, i.e. all jobs could be able to clear and be balanced, all jobs could be able to clear and be unbalanced, neither jobs could be able to clear and be balanced/unbalanced (though i guess content difficulty would be unbalanced in this case), and there could be a case where only some jobs would be able to clear and not other, but with current dps requirements for SE to screw up that badly there'd need to be a dps job doing literally 0 dps, thought i think it could still be able to clear?

It's already screwed up.
If you have a ranged in your composition, the 1% bonus to all stats is applied to the group.
But this 1% is not even enough to justify the poor rDPS from the ranged, it's actually better to build a MNK/DRG/BLM/BLM group, the BLM replacing the ranged could miss many casts it would still bring a better rDPS.

Remember that Ultimate is coming, SE can either set a tight DPS check or not in both cases:

Relaxed DPS Check:
-Comp without 1+ DPS Pantheon will be able to clear
-Comp with DPS Pantheon will have a easy time


Tight DPS Check:
-Comp without 1+ DPS Pantheon might not be able to clear
-Comp with 2+ DPS Pantheon will have a hard time

If our comp replaced RDM with BLM and DNC with DRG we would have 4k additionnal DPS, for example.

Yep, current state is every job can clear and they're very unbalanced, i'm not the one saying it's fine ^_^