Thread: 5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Does it ever get tiresome building all these strawmen?

You don't balance around lower tier parses because people aren't playing the jobs to their potential. Therefore, the data will be misleading at best or flat out useless. Look at say, 50%, and you'll see Black Mages dropping Eno-chan; Dragoons overcapping their Eyes; Monks losing Greased Lightning, and etc. All of this makes the data pointless. Hence why you look at the higher end percentiles where these mistakes won't occur. This gives a far more accurate indication of what the actual strengths and weaknesses of each job is.

As for clear rates. Enough people have cleared the statistics average out. It won't make a difference if we evaluate now or two months from now. Red Mages aren't suddenly go up by a 1,000 DPS. In fact, the gap is likely to widen—and the stigma increase when Ultimate comes out.

And judging only the higher end parses of groups which have been collecting gear and optimizing over the last 6 weeks, compared to the more casual base which doesn't care about "the meta" is indicative of.. what exactly?

I did some napkin math and will semi-concede on the disparity. At 25% percentile, which I know from previous investigations is about the bare minimum you can have as a group to clear content (I wondered in previous raid tiers whether a group of all grays could meet dps checks, they can't), the bottom 8 jobs (2 melee, 1 caster, 1 ranged) is about 500 dps short of meeting enrage on e1s, compared to the highest combination which is 2500 over the check.

So does that mean that they should be given a free pass for poor play? I don't really think so. Someone needs to step up above the bare minimum, preferably all of them. Additionally, perhaps the top 4 actually need to be nerfed a bit, compared to the bottom 4 being bumped up, because for the most part people would rather take a hand out instead of trying harder.

Bottom line is this. If you're a good player than it doesn't really matter what job you play, you can find a group and clear the content. Short of that all you're doing is looking for an excuse to justify either your lack of ability, the lack of ability of your group, or anything else in between - rather than looking at yourself. That doesn't mean SE shouldn't do anything, as I've stated repeatedly in my posts, but there are 2 sides to every story. If you can't complete the content it's not your job, or combination of jobs in your group. It's you.