5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

**Kabooa** · 09-06-2019 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

I’m not sure what special ed class you’re from, but if it takes you 16 seconds to read the above quote...uhhhhh.....practice reading more?

Gives you an idea of how I view the average forum goer, don't it?

**Billythepancake** · 09-06-2019 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kabooa

Gives you an idea of how I view the average forum goer, don't it?

That 16 seconds is huge in Savage. Have you ever done Savage? Saving 16 seconds makes the fight a lot less stressful. That's 8 GCDs you didn't have to cast. Thats 16 extra seconds of breathing room. I cleared e4s today and we had barely 10 seconds left to clear before we hit enraged. As one of the healers, I would've killed to have had 16 seconds shaved off because I would've had less to heal, and I would've had less mp problems.

**Kabooa** · 09-06-2019 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Billythepancake

That 16 seconds is huge in Savage. Have you ever done Savage?

More than some.

**Rathael** · 09-06-2019 02:55 PM

They cannot try out their patches in a way that will tell them exactly what the damage comparison will be. it is impossible for them to get accurate data about how the overall damage of a job will be across the entire community. They only do a very small sample-size test and have most likely done so.

the metrics only reveal themselves when the content is handed to the masses where a proper sample size is taken. This is why they make (usually) very small, careful and iterative changes.

**Vendalwind** · 09-06-2019 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kabooa

Just so we're clear.

It took you longer to read my response than it will the hypothetical difference in kill time.

Well that's not entirely true.

I have to pad this out with a few more words but this should do it.

This only humored me

Fight time vs. forum time tho is a significant difference. 16 seconds in a fight is a lot of extra effort to clean up from everyone else.

**SaitoHikari** · 09-06-2019 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Kabooa

More than some.

You main Black Mage. Your DPS party composition for your first clear of E4S was BLM/SAM/DRG/BRD. Three of those classes are part of the top 5. That first clear had a 13:25 clear time. Titan enrage is 13:31-35, depending on whether you got a fast or slow instance. That means your team was 6-10 seconds off of enrage. Considering that you were wringing your hands over semantics regarding the value of 16 seconds... Had you, the SAM and/or DRG been a member of one of the bottom five classes instead and performed at a similar percentile level, anyone can bet your ass your team likely wouldn't have cleared that pull.

You can argue however you want, but let's make it clear that you pretty much have no personal stake in this discussion (unless you're one of those people who subscribe to the mentality that inching closer to equality somehow makes your role less important), which is understandable.

One may think this mean-spirited to point this out, but I was always a firm believer in that it is foolhardy to insert oneself into a serious discussion if you either lack the experience and/or simply have no reason to care about what the other side has to say.

**SaberMaxwell** · 09-06-2019 08:30 PM

Titan Fast Enrage can actually happen as early as 13:20. On my week 1 kill, we finished him off at 13:19 and he was almost done casting earthen fury.

**Zyneste** · 09-06-2019 09:03 PM

**Madoka** · 09-07-2019 12:35 AM

Should we call it savage when someone says some stupid crap in here and gets destroyed?

**Rasikko** · 09-07-2019 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Madoka

Should we call it savage when someone says some stupid crap in here and gets destroyed?

That happens all over the place. The forums needs to just be called Savage Fantasy Forums.

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