Been silently reading forums for awhile while letting numbers in logs stabalize a bit.

Turns out SAM on average has better rDPS than NIN with all the buffs by a very very minor margin. My point being many NIN were happy with their upgrade, but tons of SAM were complaining massively about not getting enough of a buff with 5.08. I still say that NIN should be capable of more rDPS than any other melee, but at the moment im actually quite content with the melee balance except MNK still needs to be reigned in a bit. 5.1 reworks gonna be scary.

In my mind this below is still the goal.

Pdps melee should be SAM>DRG>MNK>NIN
Rdps should be
NIN>DRG>SAM=MNK(mantra) and by much smaller disparity margins than pdps (like 300 dps max disparity at 75th percentile up)

Ranged are still being shafted harder than they deserve. I do think the ease full mobility provides needs to be taxed some, but it should honestly not be more than 500 dps max in current content. Its too steep right now. Also they need more support too in general. That 10% mitigation is cool, but honestly melee and casters can do a more limited similar effect with their stat breakers on the enemy. And melee have more stay alive tools with bloodbath. BLM even has manaward and I as a NIN main have shade shift. Bard needs more utility. Dnc needs more pdps. Mch as well some.

SMN is also a bit off but still not as bad as RDM. I also dont think raise should be taxed much more than 500 dps max. That being said BLM might need an extremely mild nerf too. Id like to see dps raise removed from casters solely and made more reliant on dps phoenix down usage with high cooldown (600 seconds effectively each dps can use one per fight)

I still think SB nin was overvalued for its trick. In pug setting trick was minimal value. The true value nin brought was shadewalker and smoke screen and how it enabled tanks to stay out of tank stance more. I really do wish we had rdps measurements of that time tho. I remember being told trick was worth 1.5k back in stormblood.

In ShB its worth about 900 we see now, so there is no possible way it was worth 1.5k in SB when damage was lower.