Thread: 5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

Originally Posted by Dogempire

I'm aware, I'm just saying that at those levels of difference the gap between having a balanced party and having duplicate classes is a lot smaller. There will obviously still be dps differences between classes, however, I'd say that a less than 5% difference is actually pretty healthy since you don't want every class doing exactly the same dps but you still want them to be comparable. The game should reward a healthy diverse party, and the role bonuses and extra lb generation do just that.

Also, raid dps IS actual dps, the dps contributions of a class to other party members is just as valid as the damage you deal yourself, both bring the boss' hp down, only difference is that certain classes don't have rdps contribution tools, and in return said classes do more personal dps.

I meant actual dps in concerns of who is doing the damage. Pure dps jibs are meant to synergize with dps enhancing utility, rdps shows that value for the person who provides the buff. If a weaker pdpser is there, the value of that utility lessens.

SAM should be highest in pdps. But if you are asking for a class that only has dps-enhancing utility to be less in rdps still, you are saying that they should get a pdps tax that is higher than their utility value. Therefor the utility does not perform its function. Even if it comes "close" or even breaks even, you are adding extra variables that can detrimental, and if you make it break even, just lose the utility and make them a pure damage job, its essentially the same at that point

Originally Posted by IruruCece

Hell, despite the numbers, even Monk has mechanical issues with how it works. If Anatman in the opener was real intention of the developers from the beginning, then it was an extremely bad call. It's not fun to use, and it relies on server ticks we can't really see without a mod. Tornado Kick is back to being situational. Six Sided Star doesn't belong anywhere in any rotation, serving as yet another button to fix our Greased Lightning problems (that we also have Riddle of Earth AND the current Form Shift for).

I am not even slightly opposed to seeing the pure DPS jobs firmly at the top of the heap. But I don't want to face nerfs on top of mechanical issues going unfixed, and the majority of players who are calling for nerfs here aren't even pretending to make that consideration when they throw around "utility" as an excuse.

You act like monk is the only class with "mechanical issues." No job is perfect except perhaps yoshi's pet job black mage. Even RDM has serious issues, most notably the fact that it is far too reliant on RNG procs to do damage and can often find its DPS tanking when the verfire/verstone procs aren't coming in. The fact that we lost impact doesn't help at all, in fact that loss represents a bit of a downgrade in terms of the flow and consistency of our rotation because we no longer have that safety cushion protecting us from the possibility of having to cast jolt 3 or even 4 times in a row while acceleration is on cooldown. That's a big deal and you can actually watch your DPS tanking to the bottom of the ocean when stuff like that happens, and it's purely because of luck. That's not even taking into consideration how the loss of those procs impacts our damage over the remainder of the fight. You may even find yourself in a situation where your melee combo isn't prepared when you need it to be purely because of the lack of RNG procs, such as during stormy in E3S or just before baiting orbs early on in E1S. RDM has to deal with problems AND they don't have the DPS output to justify it so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Monk has to deal with stuff but at least they put up some of the biggest numbers in the game and they have utility too.

gl trying to get a cast thru as blm during uplifts in titan ..., blm is till not "easy" in such raids lol

Originally Posted by Shiroe

gl trying to get a cast thru as blm during uplifts in titan ..., blm is till not "easy" in such raids lol

BLM has a high skill ceiling since it's based on how you move and make use of Aetherial Manipulation and Between the Lines, among other things. Other than that, just Fire IV/Despair away.

Originally Posted by Shiroe

gl trying to get a cast thru as blm during uplifts in titan ..., blm is till not "easy" in such raids lol

Difficulty is subjective, it’s sad we have to keep saying that, cause honestly the only kind of difficult part of that fight for casters is p3 and that’s barely if they can make use of slide casting. Knowing where to move and stand doesn’t make the job harder cause everyone should be familiar with such things (in a non prog situation)

I tried BLM in E4s after clearing with my SMN and found no issue, actually I found it easier cause I could just slide to someone instead having to run back and forth...so difficulty is very subjective

Originally Posted by Kitfox

I think Raise tax on RDM and SMN should be completely removed along with their Raise abilities. Instead, SE should implement Raise in an item form like Phoenix Down. Give it a good recast like 10 mins and a cast time of 8s like regular Raise. That would allow the jobs to be balanced solely around their dps and raid buffs while also allowing DPS classes to raise in a pinch when healers can't afford the time or mp to do it.

Nobody wants their dps to be hamstrung by utility they won't even use during clean runs.

Don't take away my SMN Raise ability. Do you even main SMN? I've had enough abilities taken away and pets so fundamentally restructured it such. No more tanking with Titan egi in the overworld when solo etc. Enough has been done to my main as it is with abilities I have since 2013 being taken away. Raise is core to me for SMN and I'm sure it is with a lot of SMNs. And suddenly replacing it with an item? That item would have zero mp cost. Why would healers then even use their raise spell? So then you'd suggest because of a change with Phoenix down you'd take away raise from healers. A healer with out raise!?

Negative. They do not need to be nerfed, the other jobs need to brought up to par. As it stands some jobs are being excluded from savage, so why would you want to nerf anything? That would just make more dps jobs struggle to beat enrage timers.

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