Thread: 5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

Originally Posted by CrashofZenki

I'm not gonna debate this, as Its obvious baiting and trolling from your side.

If you read the initial post you see that I would want to see the Ranged and left out casters DPS up. But since you guys wanted to instead only see between your fingers and focus only on the NIN, those things got overseen. So please. Do continue, without reading the initial post.

Thank you.

You mean this:

Originally Posted by CrashofZenki

So after the recent cnages of SAM, SMN and NIN, we see that the gap is still too big from the top 3 (MNK,BLM and DRG) than the other DPS.

The amount of potencies that SAM and NIN got, and yet we have a huge gap in damage tells us a couple of things.

1. Dev team doesnt try out their patches.
2. There are still a lot of potency missing on SAM and NIN compaired to the other Melee DPS. Looks like NIN is getting a range tax for some reason?
3. Its still better to take a MNK/DRG over SAM on any given time, as well as taking anything over a NIN except for DNC at the moment which means I suspect we also need buffs on DNC.

Cut off a couple of damage percentages of DRG (about 2%), a bit more on BLM and MNK (3%) and boost every other job's damage percentage by about 5% (RDM, SMN, MCH, BRD, SMN, NIN) and about 6% on DNC.

and this:

Originally Posted by CrashofZenki

You wanted a reason to why, do refrain from calling me biased tho.

Uptime difference is the reason. Having a ranged is safer in terms of uptime and survivability looking at their free movement without punishing their dps. NINs still need a lot more variables to be considered taken instead of a physical ranged.

NIN:
1. melee range/positionals
2. timed casts and imobility from Ten-Chi-Jin
3. hugely affected by the performance of the other 7 players in the party when using TA.
4. Does less rDPS than the other Melees.

Physical Ranged:
1. Personal Performance.
(Only for DNC) 2. performance of the other 7 players in the party.

Do not show your bias(hey we all have them) or your lack to class things appropriately do bare in mind nins are beating 5 jobs at least now and only 2 were even touched on in the last live letter those being Smn where they may receive changes in 5.1 and Brd who they said they were going to listen to feedback.

Also Personal performance as per your post would have nin like this:
-Personal Performance
-Trick attack dependency on the other 7 party members

You can't give leeway to 1 job and not offer it to the entire physical range role just to try and prove a point either present them as balanced argument or don't bother presenting them.

No other job is as dependent on the group than dnc is, which you noted sort of, but brd has minor dependency too with Battle Voice, Minne is completely outside brd's control once on target so it needs healer awareness, Dnc's dps is hugely dependent on that partner not messing up on rotations/mechanics/positionings then you have stuff like Improvisation which requires 0 movement during downtime and Leviathan has random dives/puddles so you have to adapt on the fly to get to a safe spot early to get some use out of it and then it is dependent on the 7 other party members being in it.

To give Nin multiple bullet points for stuff that is purely down to the individual yet not give bullet points to the physical ranged for stuff that is wholly dependent on the party to be effective is disingenuous and makes it come across as a strawman's argument.