Question about FFLogs

[RoyalBeef]

To me, the peak entitlement was certain players asking for "toxic" healers to be banned because they refuse to rez them.

Wow, I dont even know what to say to that lol

[Zekrin]

Don't know why people arguing "should/ shouldn't pick your party member"...
Obiviously you can, I just not liking the way that FFlogs get/show those "infomation for picking".
(SE says it's legal then it is, but it's something I wouldn't do.)

I believe if FFlogs doing better, paying a little more respect to those who don't like "number competitions", such like not showing the name or hiding logs by default, there won't be so much conflict opinion in this topic.(Or maybe I won't even start this topic...)
And those who need information can still get what they want: just ask the one joining party to show their own logs, if they say no then you say no, simple and easy.

[Driavna]

And those who need information can still get what they want: just ask the one joining party to show their own logs, if they say no then you say no, simple and easy.

If you ask a random player in-game for logs and that player reports you... well... congratulations! You are banned.

FFlogs already has the option to hide your own numbers if you desire. Why does it need to be the other way around?

With current rules, no one can mock a player for their performance without eating a ban.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

I believe if FFlogs doing better, paying a little more respect to those who don't like "number competitions", such like not showing the name or hiding logs by default, there won't be so much conflict opinion in this topic.(Or maybe I won't even start this topic...)

Basically this. No respected tools for whatever reasons is going to be "legal" if they don't show respect to the players involved. Doesn't matter if it's fflogs or twitch or whatever, remember that case where someone got flogged during their stream for "not conforming to damage standards" ? Hiding on request is at best has same respect of fixing your malware-infected laptop in a public wifi hotspot.

[Zekrin]

no one can mock a player for their performance without eating a ban.

So...If I didn't get it wrong, BAN means SE doesn't encourage FFlogs, then what you saying means "the site and how player using it is not allowed by SE, but I insist it should exist in a stealthy way"?
(Sounds like "Don't fight in public or you got caught. Fight when no one see you and your victim." )

I thought SE allowed these action and using of logs according to the previous replies... Now I totally don't understand why judge other players with "things can't asking others to show" is ok.
Seem like SE DON'T want a player have other players logs(or judge them by logs), otherwise why they ban someone asked and got reported?
You make me confuse again, thanks bro


Oh, Almost forgot :"FFlogs already has the option" indeed, but not by default, which means who don't know the site can't do anything about it.
Their opinion had been ignored but still affected by the site :they could been kicked or rufused cause they didn't upload logs with better performance, whether they do have or don't. And like you said asking logs probably get banned, they won't be told why they got kicked.

[ZoLMiTRiPTaN]

Basically this. No respected tools for whatever reasons is going to be "legal" if they don't show respect to the players involved. Doesn't matter if it's fflogs or twitch or whatever, remember that case where someone got flogged during their stream for "not conforming to damage standards" ? Hiding on request is at best has same respect of fixing your malware-infected laptop in a public wifi hotspot.

This is one of the dumbest false equivalencies I’ve ever seen on these forums. In no way is opting-out on fflogs the same as the situation you describe.

The creator of fflogs does indeed respect the community and has explained time and again why it’s opt-out and not opt-in. He’s even given two ways to opt-out so that players can decide if they’d rather create a fflogs account or not. Like my initial comment said, it’s literally as easy as adding a tag to your Lodestone profile. Takes less than 30 seconds.

Other comments have already explained situations that have “exposed” hidden data that was out of fflog’s control. The community itself is to blame for any negative use of the data. Which, by the way, you literally do not own. Because you don’t own the data, you don’t have any say in what’s done with it. Legally the only entity with any say is SE and we all already know they’re not going to go after fflogs anytime soon.

Finally, because you don’t own the data that constitutes and originates from you account, you have no expectation of privacy over said data.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

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You misread my post. The site is neither legal or illegal because SE can't touch them. I don't really care what backwards privacy law fflogs server is in, it's not related to the more important question. "Why wait for damage/negativity to be done to a player and not filter out what it needs before saving or even displaying?". That's something they can DEFINITELY do, having some sense of responsibility. You can try fix it with nobody around or you can do more damage to the other 23 people before fixing it, either way fflogs is a very public space and has that responsibility.

[Kleeya]

The creator of fflogs does indeed respect the community and has explained time and again why it’s opt-out and not opt-in. He’s even given two ways to opt-out so that players can decide if they’d rather create a fflogs account or not. Like my initial comment said, it’s literally as easy as adding a tag to your Lodestone profile. Takes less than 30 seconds.

Except that opting-out makes you suspicious, someone who has something to hide and is probably underperforming. Which makes it not really a choice when it is something not to do.

If he was really so nice the system would be opt-in. But in the end he just want more datas to get more traffic on his site, like every webmaster. And probably to get more people see the "donation" button on the bottom. Which is kind of akward if you ask me, to ask for money when all the datas you are using come from a forbidden add-on.

[Barraind]

Are "harassment" and "inconvenience" interchangeable words now?

Yes. We live in absurdville.

If he was really so nice the system would be opt-in.

If it gets made opt-in, someone smart makes a website that day using act parse dumps and says "you dont get to opt out", and FFLogs dies.

That theres an opt-out feature already is almost nonsense.

If you're not good, work at getting better or expect people to only take you as a last resort.

[Vnolan]

So...If I didn't get it wrong, BAN means SE doesn't encourage FFlogs, then what you saying means "the site and how player using it is not allowed by SE, but I insist it should exist in a stealthy way"?
(Sounds like "Don't fight in public or you got caught. Fight when no one see you and your victim." )

Correct. ToS enforcement is quite literally a joke (bot, cheat, sell for money, but don't you dare use a bad word or mention those evil numbers) in this game. To put it simply, if something is against the ToS (parsing is), is reported and SE has proof that meets their standards (chat logs), they will issue account action.

If SE could disable parsers without losing subscribers (impossible) they would do it.