Question about FFLogs

[Driavna]

And those who need information can still get what they want: just ask the one joining party to show their own logs, if they say no then you say no, simple and easy.

If you ask a random player in-game for logs and that player reports you... well... congratulations! You are banned.

FFlogs already has the option to hide your own numbers if you desire. Why does it need to be the other way around?

With current rules, no one can mock a player for their performance without eating a ban.

[Zekrin]

no one can mock a player for their performance without eating a ban.

So...If I didn't get it wrong, BAN means SE doesn't encourage FFlogs, then what you saying means "the site and how player using it is not allowed by SE, but I insist it should exist in a stealthy way"?
(Sounds like "Don't fight in public or you got caught. Fight when no one see you and your victim." )

I thought SE allowed these action and using of logs according to the previous replies... Now I totally don't understand why judge other players with "things can't asking others to show" is ok.
Seem like SE DON'T want a player have other players logs(or judge them by logs), otherwise why they ban someone asked and got reported?
You make me confuse again, thanks bro


Oh, Almost forgot :"FFlogs already has the option" indeed, but not by default, which means who don't know the site can't do anything about it.
Their opinion had been ignored but still affected by the site :they could been kicked or rufused cause they didn't upload logs with better performance, whether they do have or don't. And like you said asking logs probably get banned, they won't be told why they got kicked.

[Vnolan]

So...If I didn't get it wrong, BAN means SE doesn't encourage FFlogs, then what you saying means "the site and how player using it is not allowed by SE, but I insist it should exist in a stealthy way"?
(Sounds like "Don't fight in public or you got caught. Fight when no one see you and your victim." )

Correct. ToS enforcement is quite literally a joke (bot, cheat, sell for money, but don't you dare use a bad word or mention those evil numbers) in this game. To put it simply, if something is against the ToS (parsing is), is reported and SE has proof that meets their standards (chat logs), they will issue account action.

If SE could disable parsers without losing subscribers (impossible) they would do it.

[Nixxe]

So...If I didn't get it wrong, BAN means SE doesn't encourage FFlogs, then what you saying means "the site and how player using it is not allowed by SE, but I insist it should exist in a stealthy way"?
(Sounds like "Don't fight in public or you got caught. Fight when no one see you and your victim." )

I thought SE allowed these action and using of logs according to the previous replies... Now I totally don't understand why judge other players with "things can't asking others to show" is ok.
Seem like SE DON'T want a player have other players logs(or judge them by logs), otherwise why they ban someone asked and got reported?
You make me confuse again, thanks bro


Oh, Almost forgot :"FFlogs already has the option" indeed, but not by default, which means who don't know the site can't do anything about it.
Their opinion had been ignored but still affected by the site :they could been kicked or rufused cause they didn't upload logs with better performance, whether they do have or don't. And like you said asking logs probably get banned, they won't be told why they got kicked.

ACT, which is needed to upload to FFLogs, is technically against the rules, but SE has said they basically look the other way as long as you aren't using it to harass people. This let's SE have their cake and eat it too, as they can let more serious players have their performance metrics and prevent in-game harassment.