Question about FFLogs

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I think the system would be better if they remove the names of players who didn't actively signed up on the page. Then you could still analyses your data, but you and others could only read the names of the fflog-members and everyone else would just be render anonymous.

Of course, you can log in and block it but it actually should be the other way around. If you are - for example - a Dragoon and didn't signed up, then in all the parses you participated in should just be a "Random Dragoon" or something like that and nobody should find anything by looking up your name. Personally while I'm actually very found of FFlogs and the data it provides for those who are wanting to improve, I just find it a bit irritating that everyone can look up the data of someone who might not even know that parses of them or the page itself even exists. I was quit surprised myself too when I first heard about that page and saw the logs.

[Katie_Kitty]

I think the system would be better if they remove the names of players who didn't actively signed up on the page. Then you could still analyses your data, but you and others could only read the names of the fflog-members and everyone else would just be render anonymous.

Of course, you can log in and block it but it actually should be the other way around. If you are - for example - a Dragoon and didn't signed up, then in all the parses you participated in should just be a "Random Dragoon" or something like that and nobody should find anything by looking up your name. Personally while I'm actually very found of FFlogs and the data it provides for those who are wanting to improve, I just find it a bit irritating that everyone can look up the data of someone who might not even know that parses of them or the page itself even exists. I was quit surprised myself too when I first heard about that page and saw the logs.

I don't see any reason why parses should be anonymous by default. None at all. People have the right to know who they're letting into their parties. Nobody should be forced to carry a grey party member.

[NekoNova]

I don't see any reason why parses should be anonymous by default. None at all. People have the right to know who they're letting into their parties. Nobody should be forced to carry a grey party member.

Nobody should be forced to cater to insane standards either, yet here we are

[Enla]

Nobody should be forced to cater to insane standards either, yet here we are

I don't really think it's too much to ask that your party members be competent, particularly in Savage where carrying bad players can be excruciating. Especially since if people find themselves not being able to meet said 'insane standards' they can just make their own groups and usually get by rather swimmingly that way. I'm new to Savage with this tier now that my health and life have finally gotten under control and my DPS parse is /terrible/ as SCH. My healing makes up for it from what I can tell but I absolutely would not blame any group for wanting to try and nab someone who could put out better numbers. Especially as healing can become very scripted from what I've noticed once you get used to a specific fight. I'm the one having trouble adjusting to Savage. No one owes me a spot in a group and I'm rather grateful that my static is willing to put up with me as I adjust to the higher skill level. It's really not asking to much that I improve.

[Zekrin]

Thanks for all replies!

According to the replies, I think maybe my work makes me more sensitive to these things than others:
My job "records" people in public place oftenly (voices or movments, most time not the main purpose, but it will), so before we start working we usaully try notice people in the area, if they don't like to been "record", they can wait or leave for a while. After that, we also do some protection works like pixelated faces or mute/cut dialogues.
We all know they can't sue us(if we do our job quiet and quick, they won't even know..), but we don't want anyone feel uncomfortable.

I just could't turn around my thinking immediately few hours ago, thought people should or will cares about their digital footprints like real one lol
Or maybe this is JUST a game and I'm too serious...

Anyway, thanks for all replies again, have a nice day!

[Sathona]

Personally i hide mine,at worse if i get locked out cause ppl cant see my parses constantly i can quit and play another game no biggy,tho i love FFXIV my dps is my own thing

[alimdia]

Personally i hide mine,at worse if i get locked out cause ppl cant see my parses constantly i can quit and play another game no biggy,tho i love FFXIV my dps is my own thing

Your DPS is only your own thing if you do solo content.

[Lastelli]

No because you don't own data about your chatacter. It's all SE property.

You are not your in-game chara therefore privacy laws don't apply.

[Nixxe]

Isn't that webside kind of illegal or something like violating in-game privicy policy?

The privacy policy has nothing to do with this. That tells you how SE uses information they collect from you, but SE isn't the one supplying FFLogs with information nor is the information they're being supplied with the sort that is covered by the privacy policy.

My guess is people only upload their best runs, why would they uplod bad ones? So parses other's upload might be a more realistic representation than what a person uploads themself ^^

The primary value of parses is being able to analyze your performance and improve on your mistakes, not ranking. People who are even remotely serious about things like Savage are generally just going to upload everything. The people who are super worried about anyone being able to see that they're not very good are generally not the sort of people who would ever willingly make use of a parse in the first place.

Everyone has bad runs occasionally. Profiles without bad runs are as suspicious as businesses with only 5 star ratings... everyone knows stuff like that just doesn't happen ^^

Yeah, no, there are actually good players with really consistent performance. Their "bad" runs will still be well above average.

[Shougun]

Well, here's the thing about battle log privacy: it's not private. It's factually not private. It may feel like it should be to some and others may treat it like it is but it's actually not private.

I look at it this way- you're in a public space doing whatever, and someone who logs and then uploads you name tagged would then be the person in that public space who has not only taken a picture with you in it but then also purposefully face recognized you and put you in a database that other people can look up. So now you're in a detailed public database of where and what you've done that you might not have even known about and one you clearly didn't consent to.

Yes you're in a public space (in the example above, technically here we are in "SE's space, like inside a corporation's building/theater"), and it will indeed look bad if you start screaming at that random person recording you on camera "DONT FILM ME Q_Q /rage /tableflip /roll on ground /knock over trash can". Yet at the same time I can imagine people, at least a number of people, could see that and go to the camera man that's following you in the public space and be like "dude... knock it off, you not only don't need to record this random person, not only upload their image, but you don't need to also tag them into a database- all clearly without their consent.. it's a bit creepy".

Of course it's the age of data, and the programs make this exceptionally easy, so I'm not trying to say everyone uploading their parses with collateral damage of other names is creepy- to them it's more like they've been recording themselves at a concert with a static group of strangers (purpose was not to record the strangers). Though technically some people may be recording not for their self-purpsoses, and in that example of the video you don't normally go database tag the strangers lol. It's Just that the feeling I have is "I understand I was in a public space but I did not consent to you recording me and then uploading me to a search-able database, I would like you not to do that". To me when I get into a group picture (intentionally) I've consented to the uploading of that image with my name but I guess another example you could make is you're in a group setting and someone has been following you around and taking pictures of you, a different scenario ("Shougun drinking from a water fountain, Shougun going to the bathroom, Shougun ordering fatty food" - awkward). Again I don't want to argue its illegal, but it's just creepy to me and it does feel like a non-illegal invasion of my privacy (or at least a privacy I'd like to have, so therefore "imo" it's an invasion- you don't need a public database on my doings and whereabouts lol).

In a bit of a hyperbole but "close enough, to be a vague analogy" to me it's like tracking people and slapping a social score on them without them opting in (China's social system, Community's meow meow beans, Black Mirror's Nosedive), obviously those log sites have a far less dystopian effect or even a tenth of an important effect lol yet it just makes me think "no thanks, knock it off".

In other news I went to check the website, having made account just to turn it private (which apparently they undid or I did and forgot, not a big deal lol), and I wanted to see if there were any logs of them. Not a single log :3. So if people were petrified of the site I'd be less so. Though I personally still find the existence of a non-consenting personally identifying (ish, not my real name lol) database as undesirable. Of course I can see the objective benefit it gives personal and groups helpful and powerful tools to improve and learn. Although part of the reason I'm probably not in a log at the moment is that I don't savage/ultimate either, just not my cup of tea anymore (used to do that stuff in WoW/FFXI and even Twintania). I just feel like keeping a static schedule or dealing with the plethora of silly drama PF issues is too much of a hassle (to me) and takes away the fun- DF for life for me lol. Also since I don't savage the social ramifications for me have been pretty much zero (if someone silently made a judgment I wouldn't have known), no one has needed to see my logs (that don't even exist apparently lol, I know the system deletes them with age so that's probably what happened).

Not that I'm even ashamed of the damage I think I put out because I do try to be in the upper bracket of "helpfulness to the team", or top (preferable ), of each group (not perfect, or care to use potions lol, but I'm certainly not an ice mage). So at the end, as I said, I just find it invasive and undesirable to have non-consenting identified logs of things I may or may not need to care about later. Like having a twitter (obviously consenting) history and then someone going 8 years back to find something to get you with.. that stuff just makes me "nope" (I've also purged most of my facebook and personal twitter ).