Have we given up on SCH?

[Hatstand]

Give up? You make it sound like the class is broken beyond repair. The scholar was not in some rut. We heal and dps just fine and even got our aetherflow dump back. Is it perfect? No but I am not gonna throw a tantrum like many other people on the forums.

SCH is still my favourite healer of the three (and I feel really bad for WHMs when gutted SCH still feels better than improved WHM), but it feels so much worse than it used to. I'm not going to just lay down and accept changes that make my favourite job feel worse while achieving nothing. As Billythepancake already pointed out, SCHs still dps a lot. It's just boring dps now. We're still meta, and will continue to be so long as we're strong and there are no other healers who can offer comparable mitigation.

It was the same story in stormblood, albeit to a lesser degree. And that's what motivates me the most to advocate for change. Last time I didn't like the changes but I said nothing and this time they're worse. I'm worried that if we don't convince the devs that they're going down the wrong track then next expansion energy drain will be gone again, along with ruin 2, because you really only need a nuke, a DoT, and a aoe, right? We're only healers, right? Heck, we could probably live without the DoT, according to people who don't play healers.

As an addendum: I also think WHM needs work, but I think it's more egregious that they're leaving SCH in this state because they already have animations and whatnot for the moves they took, so it'd be much easier to make SCH better, even if that was just a short term fix while they worked on a bigger, better fix for 6.0.

[Elladie]

Having fun with my SCH. No issues. As long as a job does what it's supposed to - in this case, keep my party alive - and it's engaging to play, I won't have issues with it.

[FoxyAreku]

What's there to give up? Scholar is fine and certainly better than astrologian which still may as well be a dead job. All scholar needed was energy drain back, now that they have it it's pretty good.

The multiple DoTs to chain with the spreading of them took a big part of its cycle if you wanted to use it fully.
In that regard, reducing it to a single DoT wasn't that outlandish a choice imo. The one i think weird though is getting the spread fonctionality out, as it was made to cleverly initiate a fight by putting DoT and then focusing on healing.

Bane felt nice to use, but optimally it was terrible due to the nerf it received in stormblood and it was a lot more DPS to multi-dot manually. Removing bane simply drives home this point and makes people do their DPS the right way. Only time bane was useful was in those rare cases where there's too many enemies to multi-dot efficiently.

[Soulkrusher]

they might as well remove the pets and make the scholar do the animation instead, if it has to be on their hotbars to begin with and use a gcd then it might as well be the SCH doing it altogether, what is the point of the pet if the pet doesn't have its own actions on its own hotbar?

[Lagomorph]

Give up? You make it sound like the class is broken beyond repair. The scholar was not in some rut. We heal and dps just fine and even got our aetherflow dump back. Is it perfect? No but I am not gonna throw a tantrum like many other people on the forums.

No, the class is not broken beyond repair. The class is broken and SE refuses to repair it. Big difference there, buddy.

[Almostward]

I've already quit sch. I'd gladly come back to my (former) favorite class if the devs would realize how bad their current vision of the healers actually is.

What is saddening is that the devs are willing to take away everything that made our classes unique and fun just so they are able to balance them their way cause of complaints from a minority.

I hate to say it but they are wrong with their choices with how SCH and Astro are, but the devs wont speak of healers. Dps and tanks are the majority of their playerbase.

The only bright side to this is the Japanese forums are way more busy, and there are way more people there who are unhappy. Like a lot. I only hope the devs are staying silent cause they know they messed up, but many devs have been tone deaf in the past, and these one are no exception.

[Billythepancake]

Give up? You make it sound like the class is broken beyond repair. The scholar was not in some rut. We heal and dps just fine and even got our aetherflow dump back. Is it perfect? No but I am not gonna throw a tantrum like many other people on the forums.

That's part of the problem. Just because it can do its job well, doesn't mean it doesn't need a lot of work. Yes, it is one of,if not, the strongest healers atm, but your entire job is just "spam broil until tank gets big ouchie, then stop to excog or indom". Not to mention what they did to Selene, or how pointless Seraph feels, or w/e other problems scholar as that I don't feel like digging into atm because I need sleep. Are the problems as big as AST? Prolly not, doesn't mean they aren't big problems. I'd rather a class be bad, but incredibly fun and interesting to play, over one that gets the job done, but has nothing to do while doing it. Balance should come AFTER and only AFTER you've made the classes fun and unique. It should never come at the cost of what made the class fun in the first place.

[Tharnor]

That's part of the problem. Just because it can do its job well, doesn't mean it doesn't need a lot of work. Yes, it is one of,if not, the strongest healers atm, but your entire job is just "spam broil until tank gets big ouchie, then stop to excog or indom". Not to mention what they did to Selene, or how pointless Seraph feels, or w/e other problems scholar as that I don't feel like digging into atm because I need sleep. Are the problems as big as AST? Prolly not, doesn't mean they aren't big problems. I'd rather a class be bad, but incredibly fun and interesting to play, over one that gets the job done, but has nothing to do while doing it. Balance should come AFTER and only AFTER you've made the classes fun and unique. It should never come at the cost of what made the class fun in the first place.

A boring dps rotation is not something to cry over. It was boring before this change. Selene was already mostly trash outside of a very well setup group. Seraph was implemented in a weird way but still a viable cooldown. It is funny that you comment that you would rather be bad as long as it is fun. Bad classes have it so much worse. Go ask nin how they are liking being at the bottom of the totem pole this expansion. Or BLM for most of SB. Or pld in HW.

Would I like some changes? Yes but realistically it is not going to happen when so many other classes need significantly more developer time investment. But keep crying like a child. The dev's are ignoring you and I am not sure why I do not doing the same.

[Nhala_Levee]

I'd rather a class be bad, but incredibly fun and interesting to play, over one that gets the job done, but has nothing to do while doing it.

I think every class was unique and very very enjoyable to use. Had fun with all of them before Shadowbringer. Not just SCH or AST, but i used all of them for fun. I mainly was a healer, my main was AST, but i used the SCH too cause i liked it. I was very epic just as the AST and its own way WHM too. Now all of them feels like the same. AST becomed totaly useless out of group play. Cards are useless, every one of them. Well, every card is the same so no wonder why... Old AST was unique, had a style, you MUSTED use your head and your creativity to combine the cards into useful things. Every card was useful on its own way, or in combo. It was very a high player experience useing that. Now? Throw cards everywhere, no matter which one where, all is the same. Then boom an aoe dmg buff, what is maybe worthy in savage raids, but, other than that is not realy worth the effort and energy to push the button. And well, savage raiders had they balance card already. So i dont realy understand why the most worthless card needed to be cloned to 6. Nvm, stopped playing AST cause i cant enjoy it anymore. Not unique anymore. Somewhat more than common but not much.

Other heal. I tryed WHM too, but my opinion is that the old gause was far superior. We got one more heal. For a WHM... WHM... realy... WHM is all about pure heal. And those 2 utility it had and gauge for it taken out for one more pure healing spell. Not realy logic. Im not a big WHM main anyway, but i liked the old one much. Its have the feeling you have the same spell on every keybind, and just heading the keyboard is good enough. For me, it have this feeling.

My 2nd favorite, SCH, loved it. On its own way. I loved the freedom of the pets. EOS and Selene. You had a choice. Selene had useful CDs too. EOS had her own use too as a nice bonus heal if not needed Selene for some reason. Aetherflow is a joke now. I must pull mobs to recharge my aether? Please... worst joke in my life. Sadly i never had to use Seraph as SCH wasnt my main i didnt reached max lvl with it in StormBlood expansion. Every class was so epic and fun to play, i almost play diferent class everyday. Cause loved all. Anyway, SMN, my titan egi attacked a mob and the mob instantly charged on me. Was a realy shocking surprise. A summoner with a pet that not even exist just a ghost, please, that is not a summoner.

Adn well, i can continue with many class but, i dont know if its worth to try. I know they wont bring back the old and good classes cause they are "oooold".
But... just a simple question. Just an easy one. Realy.
When something is perfect. Unique and fun to play already.
Why do you want to fix it? What is not broken. No idea. Realy. Im brainmelted already.

Good night everyone.

[Billythepancake]

What is saddening is that the devs are willing to take away everything that made our classes unique and fun just so they are able to balance them their way cause of complaints from a minority.

I hate to say it but they are wrong with their choices with how SCH and Astro are, but the devs wont speak of healers. Dps and tanks are the majority of their playerbase.

The only bright side to this is the Japanese forums are way more busy, and there are way more people there who are unhappy. Like a lot. I only hope the devs are staying silent cause they know they messed up, but many devs have been tone deaf in the past, and these one are no exception.

My favorite part, they took a ton away from SCH to "stop it from focusing on dps" and they "wanted to get rid of the meta" but uh, SCH still focuses on dps, and they're still the king of meta. SE doesn't realize SCH was never meta because of miasama or energy drain, SCH is meta because it has a million free heals, and every time they give SCH more oGCD heals, it will only become more and more meta.