Have we given up on SCH?

[Sabrenn]

The most annoying things (QoL point of view) are :
- Fairy abilities took to long to be apply on the team. It should be instant.
- Summon Seraph should apply the 1st Consolation and the last if not used before while disappearing.
- Seraph appearing and disappearing shouldn't cancel any other abilities of Eos/Seraph.
- When Eos reappear after Dissipate or Seraph, her position should be the same if it was fixed, and not apply "follow you" by default.

I came here to say this, using Consolation when the timer still shows 3 seconds left and nothing happens feels extremely disappointing and I feel like the timer should reflect the time that the player has to use spells within the window, not the amount of time that the 3d model changes appearance.

I don't think it should auto-apply consolation, but..

Since the fairy abilities are ogcd now instead of being on their own pet gcd, they should be instant. 100% agree. If they're on my own gcd timer they should act like my own abilities. Otherwise just put it back on the pet bar so we can use whispering dawn while casting broil for example.

[Brightamethyst]

If they're on my own gcd timer they should act like my own abilities. Otherwise just put it back on the pet bar so we can use whispering dawn while casting broil for example.

Agreed. Fairy abilities shouldn't have to go through two levels of GCD (player and fairy.) If you want to tie them to the fairy GCD, fine, but in that case take them off the player GCD. If you want to tie them to the player GCD, that's also fine, but in that case the effects should be instant.

[PondHollow]

The most annoying things (QoL point of view) are :
- Fairy abilities took to long to be apply on the team. It should be instant.
- Summon Seraph should apply the 1st Consolation and the last if not used before while disappearing.
- Seraph appearing and disappearing shouldn't cancel any other abilities of Eos/Seraph.
- When Eos reappear after Dissipate or Seraph, her position should be the same if it was fixed, and not apply "follow you" by default.

While I also want those things, especially since we lost independent faerie cast sequences, I'd really like to have that back. And Seraph consuming the fae gauge [and, like aetherpact, not having a cooldown] might be a better solution for Consolation.

I was under the impression Eos keeps her /place-ment after Seraph, just not after Dissipation.

[Wawachume]

And Seraph consuming the fae gauge [and, like aetherpact, not having a cooldown] might be a better solution for Consolation.

It sounds like a nice solution to me. It would give an alternative for how to spend fairy gauge, and it would move us toward a logical system where the player's big heals use aetherflow and the fairy's big heals use the fairy gauge.

My only problem is that it would mean you couldn't summon seraph until you'd built up the gauge. Right now, seraph is really useful when the tank decides to pull wall-to-wall at the start of Akadaemia Anyder, since aetherpact is unavailable.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

Yes. As im saying, it has always beimg boring, its too repetitive. I think capping every week is the most tedious thing of this game and thats why I stop doing it after I clear the last savage content.

"Summon Seraph should apply the 1st Consolation and the last if not used before while disappearing."

No this is wrong. Normal healing is stronger thab aoe healing of seraph, is party is full is a waste to use that healing instead of doing it on the tank.

[Billythepancake]

Excellent. Now do it 30 times so that the same level of repetitiveness starts to take its toll with this other job too.

It's interesting that you had fun with it. Is it because you've not played this job much and you're engaged in trying to learn it? Because any time I bring a DPS job to a roulette I'm bored out of my mind. It's the exact same thing every run. Almost down to the GCD.

Healer roles, at the very least, have some variability in the amount of damage you must heal, depending on your party.

I've done countless level 50 alliance raid roulettes as MCH, well after I had learned its rotation, and after I had gotten it to Max level. While it wasn't the most fun I've ever had, it was more fun than SCH at level 80. Just something as simple as having timers on things like drill, bio blaster, and hotshot/air anchor, a proc when your gauge hits a certain percentage, and trying to get stuff off in wildfire, while all simple things, are enough to keep me engaged, at least for now. You're right, maybe halfway through the expac, and have done every roulette 200+ times, even that will get tiring, but I at least have fun for awhile even doing the simpler things. On SCH I am bored to tears as soon as my first run through. Every dungeon in shadowbringers, when they were all new and sparkly, was boring me because I had nothing to do, the only place I enjoy it at all anymore is Savage, and even that is only because of the way the fights are designed and not scholar itself. I bet if I went in on a class like MCH or SMN I'd be having way more fun than I am on SCH, because at least those classes have somewhere to go after the fight is learned. Shame I signed up into my static as a healer while healers were still fun, so I'm stuck with this for now.

Should also be noted I did countless roulettes as SCH back in SB as well, after I had hit level cap with it and played it countless times. Sure it wasn't as fun towards the end as I was having at the beginning, but I still found even level 60 dungeons at the very least somewhat engaging, because there was always something to do other than spam 1 button.

[Saefinn]

Excellent. Now do it 30 times so that the same level of repetitiveness starts to take its toll with this other job too.

It's interesting that you had fun with it. Is it because you've not played this job much and you're engaged in trying to learn it? Because any time I bring a DPS job to a roulette I'm bored out of my mind. It's the exact same thing every run. Almost down to the GCD.

Healer roles, at the very least, have some variability in the amount of damage you must heal, depending on your party.

I kinda cheated on the challenge. I've played SMN for as long as I've played SCH (since 2.0) and have been a DNC main since I gave up on SCH for 5.0, and I have given SCH a chance in 5.0

So my verdict is based on having ran them all multiple times through roulette, SMN more so. Sure once you've done a bajillion roulettes they get samey yes and I pace myself or vary what I do day-to-day. Historically it was fine playing a healer, but now it doesn't feel like I'm doing much, at least with other roles I do.

Heck, as I level all roles, I've always varied the job I queue as too. Regardless of this, all jobs still feel engaging, except healers. This is due to the changes making them less so.

But I guess one way you can visualise it, imagine if every time you did a high level dungeon it felt like you were doing Halatali or another lowend dungeon where you have very limited use of your kit. We don't need to use much of ours at all and what we had to fill the gap is at a Satasha level of variety.

[Kinks]

still praying for scholar changes here- i still play it, because it was my favorite class, but i'm still pretty put out that i have to look to other classes for enjoyment since they gutted scholar.

yeh i get it, less qq, moar pewpew, but i don't see why i have to accept a butchered class cause lazy/out of touch devs.

/ObligatoryScholarQQSoTheyKnowWeMad

[Rasikko]

I'd say they are holding the fort. I still see them in DF more than the other 2 healers...

[Billythepancake]

I'd say they are holding the fort. I still see them in DF more than the other 2 healers...

Really? I've run into more WHM than anything. I also have to wonder how many of those SCH are actually wanting to play SCH and the ones that are just leveling SMN with the faster queues.