still no GNB sound change :)

[SWB]

The newer sounds are so much better, I'm grateful for the change and hope they dont revert it, otherwise the job will be unplayable with volume on

[Valic]

the job will be unplayable with volume on

It already is.

Also if anything, the blade had more of an impact back then too. The explosions could use a boost in volume alone but we've been on that subject already. I can't hear my blade anymore in the new combo, barely anyways.

[Makeda]

What's weird that barely anyone likes the change. It feels like a way to balance tanks. GNB was too cool so they made it annoying to play.

Outside of this forum I have yet to meet anyone that dislikes the current sounds.

I prefer the current sounds. The thread with a poll to vote... wouldn’t take my vote when I voted to keep the current sounds. I pointed that out there and you folks just called me a troll.

So you have manufactured your own echo chamber and don’t want to hear from or recognize that a counter opinion exists...

Why would I or anyone else continue to discuss with any if you if we’re just labeled trolls as a result? This is the first time in a few weeks when I have stepped back in to comment, and that is why. None of you actually wants anything but to think you represent a consensus, and you’ve isolated out the ability to even hear that another opinion exists..

[Yrantis]

Outside of this forum I have yet to meet anyone that dislikes the current sounds.

I prefer the current sounds. The thread with a poll to vote... wouldn’t take my vote when I voted to keep the current sounds. I pointed that out there and you folks just called me a troll.

So you have manufactured your own echo chamber and don’t want to hear from or recognize that a counter opinion exists...

Why would I or anyone else continue to discuss with any if you if we’re just labeled trolls as a result? This is the first time in a few weeks when I have stepped back in to comment, and that is why. None of you actually wants anything but to think you represent a consensus, and you’ve isolated out the ability to even hear that another opinion exists..

They probably pointed that out because several votes for keeping the sounds existed, so a claim of tampering is pretty specious. That said, I took a glance with admittedly google translate over at the JP forums (where I amusingly saw Valric there asking for opinions) and mostly they seem about the same ratio as here: most people hate the new solid barrel, don't really care about the rest, some people like the new sound effects because of the Gnashing Fang explosions, but everyone wonders why it's a blunt weapon. So these opinions are clearly not formed in an echo chamber, unless that echo chamber extends across the Pacific Ocean. You're entitled to your opinion, even a controversial one, but don't be surprised when people get heated defending a class they may be passionate about. I got into Shadowbringers partially due to being a big FF8 fan, and while Eden delivers and the feel of the GNB skills bring a smile to my face, the thunks sound straight out of fistfights in The Matrix and it genuinely brings down the entire experience. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way and I'm really not surprised people are mad about it, even if sometimes you can't excuse how they act.

I very much hope that one of your favorite classes doesn't have its identity unilaterally changed with no word in the future to something you don't like, at which point you face the daunting prospect of somehow making enough noise about as subjective an issue as "class fantasy" to the point where the devs deign to grace you with what will likely be "Sorry no more changes you're screwed".

It's no surprise people want to be heard on this, we came for what we heard in the job preview, things that sounded like this: https://youtu.be/XyBensMp_MA?t=130

Instead, two weeks in after what feels like a bait and switch, with absolutely no warning we now have this: https://youtu.be/7GSgWzmR_-c?t=90

I understand why someone might not care at all, but you'd be very hard pressed to tell me that the latter is what a gunblade should sound like, not the former.

[Cetek14]

Outside of this forum I have yet to meet anyone that dislikes the current sounds.

I prefer the current sounds. The thread with a poll to vote... wouldn’t take my vote when I voted to keep the current sounds. I pointed that out there and you folks just called me a troll.

So you have manufactured your own echo chamber and don’t want to hear from or recognize that a counter opinion exists...

Why would I or anyone else continue to discuss with any if you if we’re just labeled trolls as a result? This is the first time in a few weeks when I have stepped back in to comment, and that is why. None of you actually wants anything but to think you represent a consensus, and you’ve isolated out the ability to even hear that another opinion exists..

The opposite for me - i yet have to meet someone who likes new sounds. Only a few (like 4-5?) people here admit they prefer new sfx. I understand different opinions exist, thats why i would accept something in between original and new sfx, but it cannot be denied that sword cannot sound like a club. This what we have now is failed sound design. We have to call it as it should be called.

[MerlinCross]

Outside of this forum I have yet to meet anyone that dislikes the current sounds.

I prefer the current sounds. The thread with a poll to vote... wouldn’t take my vote when I voted to keep the current sounds. I pointed that out there and you folks just called me a troll.

So you have manufactured your own echo chamber and don’t want to hear from or recognize that a counter opinion exists...

Why would I or anyone else continue to discuss with any if you if we’re just labeled trolls as a result? This is the first time in a few weeks when I have stepped back in to comment, and that is why. None of you actually wants anything but to think you represent a consensus, and you’ve isolated out the ability to even hear that another opinion exists..

I mean I'm willing to hear that another side exists. If you like it good on you.

But I can't help but hear what sounds like a MNK kick SFX during Keen Edge, dull thawks on Brutal Shell and another twack at the end of Solid Barrel.

Attacks like Gnashing Fang line, Danger Zone and Sonic Break sound okay to me, heck the AoE sounds okay too maybe needs to be a bit louder. But when the basic combo sounds this bad to me, it's on the bench till I get a blunt weapon.

[Valic]

Outside of this forum I have yet to meet anyone that dislikes the current sounds.

I prefer the current sounds. The thread with a poll to vote... wouldn’t take my vote when I voted to keep the current sounds. I pointed that out there and you folks just called me a troll.

So you have manufactured your own echo chamber and don’t want to hear from or recognize that a counter opinion exists...

Why would I or anyone else continue to discuss with any if you if we’re just labeled trolls as a result? This is the first time in a few weeks when I have stepped back in to comment, and that is why. None of you actually wants anything but to think you represent a consensus, and you’ve isolated out the ability to even hear that another opinion exists..

I've met plenty in game who prefer the old sounds as well. We've heard the other opinions, but most of which don't back up their statements with any reasoning to "why" their opinion is as it is now. Never heard anyone say why what we have now sounds good, probably because it sounds like blunt cardboard being bashed. I've never heard anyone defend against this claim either because it is exactly how it sounds. Meanwhile there are plenty who are backing up why they should change, either in another direction or to what we previously had to make sense. Every comment you make also tends to have low effort as is just from your post history. If you can give a commendable reason as to why our sword should sound like a wet pool noodle, (and no, I'm not exaggerating) then by all means prove us all wrong and change our opinion of the unnecessary change.

You got labeled a troll because you were the only one to make a statement about being unable to submit a vote, and everyone else so far has a decent understanding as to why they couldn't such as IP identification. Not that your opinion is trolling, though if you don't want to come across as that way... You would do well to provide something beyond "I like our current ones because they're better than old ones" comments. We have plenty of those, and I can say the same for even our side that goes "I prefer our old ones because the new ones suck". Give your reasoning why you think what has changed is actually for the better and it'll show your merit. Most of us commenting here are hoping SE notices this thread and actually does something about it as a result of the polls/mass threads made about it. Think of providing a good argument akin to a congress meeting. Everyone can blather on their opinions and it holds no value. Then there's the select few who say something with little to no credibility and the person becomes marked as if they don't have any clue what they're talking about or they make vague statements that don't actually change anyone's minds or add anything to the situation. In those cases, it's better to not say anything if your 2 cents to ad is less than that of 2 cents. Meanwhile some who has information, researched, can provide evidence and ideas to the table, is viewed in awe and respect because they're giving something that genuinely gives a differing opinion or idea to the table. Not that a forum on the internet is of this level, but people's respect and ability to hear people out can extend in the same direction as well... And if I'm absolutely blunt personally, I haven't seen you post anything in regards to this that begins to show me you have a depth of genuine care for the job's ideas/concepts.

They probably pointed that out because several votes for keeping the sounds existed, so a claim of tampering is pretty specious. That said, I took a glance with admittedly google translate over at the JP forums (where I amusingly saw Valric there asking for opinions) and mostly they seem about the same ratio as here: most people hate the new solid barrel, don't really care about the rest, some people like the new sound effects because of the Gnashing Fang explosions, but everyone wonders why it's a blunt weapon. So these opinions are clearly not formed in an echo chamber, unless that echo chamber extends across the Pacific Ocean. You're entitled to your opinion, even a controversial one, but don't be surprised when people get heated defending a class they may be passionate about. I got into Shadowbringers partially due to being a big FF8 fan, and while Eden delivers and the feel of the GNB skills bring a smile to my face, the thunks sound straight out of fistfights in The Matrix and it genuinely brings down the entire experience. I doubt I'm the only one who feels this way and I'm really not surprised people are mad about it, even if sometimes you can't excuse how they act.

I very much hope that one of your favorite classes doesn't have its identity unilaterally changed with no word in the future to something you don't like, at which point you face the daunting prospect of somehow making enough noise about as subjective an issue as "class fantasy" to the point where the devs deign to grace you with what will likely be "Sorry no more changes you're screwed".

It's no surprise people want to be heard on this, we came for what we heard in the job preview, things that sounded like this: https://youtu.be/XyBensMp_MA?t=130

Instead, two weeks in after what feels like a bait and switch, with absolutely no warning we now have this: https://youtu.be/7GSgWzmR_-c?t=90

I understand why someone might not care at all, but you'd be very hard pressed to tell me that the latter is what a gunblade should sound like, not the former.

Also not to mention my fiance tried voting too, but because the poll is IP based, she couldn't vote because I already had (we live together). No one's tampered with the results and if they had, that only shows just how much more effort people are giving to want a change as well. Just as you said, there's a mass of people who want change and the ones who don't either don't care enough or don't actually main it, or have little reason to backup their opinion as is.

The opposite for me - i yet have to meet someone who likes new sounds. Only a few (like 4-5?) people here admit they prefer new sfx. I understand different opinions exist, thats why i would accept something in between original and new sfx, but it cannot be denied that sword cannot sound like a club. This what we have now is failed sound design. We have to call it as it should be called.

I've seen both sides, most of the ones who don't mind what we have now don't main the job or say "idc either way" though. Then there's the few who genuinely love this job and want to see it fixed, because just as you said... that's a club. The perfect example got pointed out here too.

https://youtu.be/ArqiTny3ZoM?t=11

That couldn't be more accurate... Even the end of that video is how our swing sounds are. This is for "punching" SFX too.

[Jybril]

I dunno why you are complaining when they specifically said that this mini patch would ONLY address NIN, SAM and SMN in the LL. If you wanna cry over the GNB sounds, please wait till after 5.1 patch when the majority of job changes will happen next. Yes, the main combo's sounds on ShB launch were better, but I'm sure the devs have more stuff to handle that solely focusing on the GNB sounds.

Also a matter of "Don't fix what's not broken."
Annnnd they did that here, for no reason.

[Yin111]

Outside of this forum I have yet to meet anyone that dislikes the current sounds.

Well if you insist...

Very Merri
https://twitter.com/Very_Merri/statu...95640199507968

BlastZ
https://twitter.com/_BlastZ/status/1151098693329858561

Various Individuals in Comments
http://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/55589323.html

Various Individuals in Comments
http://blog.livedoor.jp/fmato14/arch...075248878.html

Your original post was this and nothing else.

Noticed that the “poll” didn’t record my no vote...

The direct reply you got was this.

I don't see why it wouldn't. It should unless you already voted, only counts 1 vote per IP. There's no way to fix these or cheat them, even with the options provided by the site.

Nice attempt to debunk my poll though.

Valic did not call you a troll rather he clarified the poll only takes one vote. He did however, and this is my presumption, feel you are trying to invalidate his stance with your comment. Which you seem to implied that it was rigged and therefore amounts to nothing. You also did not say anything from then till now.

If you want to oppose someone's stance, there is an ordered and structured way of doing it. Calling the opposition being malicious or in an echo chamber, or using other fallacy does not help to build your case.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Also a matter of "Don't fix what's not broken."
Annnnd they did that here, for no reason.

Except there was complaints about the GNB sounds which most likely, there was a second set ready as a backup just in case, but again, if you actually put some thought into what actually happens in the dev team, and ALL the new content they have for us in 5.1 (it's a massive amount of content) and not to mention iirc Soken and his team are working on their next album to finish off as well as the devs most likely took some well earned rest. They most likely haven't had the time to actually do anything about the sounds when everyone started crying over sfx. So many people sound entitled for some reason, and don't have a basic level of patience to wait for 5.1 when they will probably adjust the sounds with other job adjustments.