still no GNB sound change :)

[Yin111]

I leveled it to 80 in a death march with friends before the change happened.

I literally could not tell the difference without a side by side controlled environment test.

If that is such the case, then that your own individual ability or circumstance. Even so, the issue of the prominent sound still stand. However for you, it may be more difficult to comprehend as you are not able to pick up the audio cues in this case.

[Ultimatecalibur]

This is also assume the sounds we had were all just one sound file in itself. When studios make audio, they are playing with multiple files at once they put together to make one whole skill. They make the boom of an explosion, the sounds of mechanisms working that may be the sound of a jar of screws being rattled, they make the thin slashing sound a sword makes by scraping metal together. Each of these is recorded individually and put together by the end of it in a program. All they would need to do is go back to the original steps of their audio with this job, and take the audio portion that was "the boom" of each skill, and raise its volume, which is definitely do-able with audio software.

I'm not at all saying anything that would be individually done by our hands or in game. I'm asking they take what we originally had for SFX, and adjust the thing that people had an issue with, the explosion half... not the sword slash half. Which is very do-able within their realm of development. This wouldn't even be relevant to game code, they'd have to modify the sounds they started with from the get-go, complete the sound file for the skill, meld it all together, save it, and then shove it into the game in a patch.

I'm trying to point out that doing so (and tuning it to sound good) is nearly as much work as making new sound effects which is why they didn't have a new set for either patch 5.05 or 5.08. The audio team having the release sound set and reserve sound set to change to in 5.01 took a fair amount of work even if they can easily rebuild the sound effects from preexisting sound libraries. It is not a question of "Can it be done?" It is a question of "How much time will it take while doing other audio stuff as well?"

Turning up the volume on the explosion sounds is much easier said than done and we were likely spoiled a bit by them having an already prepared alternate sound set for Gunbreaker. 5.01 sound changes were an anomaly and most future sound effect changes are likely to happen during major patches rather than minor ones.

[Kabooa]

If that is such the case, then that your own individual ability or circumstance. Even so, the issue of the prominent sound still stand. However for you, it may be more difficult to comprehend as you are not able to pick up the audio cues in this case.

I don't mean to downplay it. I understand others are far more sensitive to pitch and tone differences. Could also be hardware. I do not run with more than budget set ups. My music also tends to be louder, so that may factor in.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Take into account camera distance to sound effects too. The further back you are, the quieter it'll sound. But you are over exaggerating I feel like since the skills themselves are obnoxiously loud... Also I wouldn't say "it's meant to be heard", since everyone has a variety of headphones, audio outputs, and so on that would change this concept. That'd be like saying a song is supposed to be heard with 100% bass, 100% volume, etc and it ends up bursting your eardrums and not sounding like the song itself. Those settings are there to accommodate the user, when I have everything at max... I can still hear myself all too well, but it does blend into the crowd BUT that also happens on any job you play as well. That's what happens when your party consists of loud sounds and your own sounds are equally as disorientating with everyone at equal volumes/distance.

My sound setup is perfectly fine, but ever since they changed the GNB SFX, the sound quality on GNB is DEFINITELY WENT DOWN. And camera distance doesn't do anything to sound effects that are in hearing distance of the character that I play as. I don't know what in-game sound settings you are looking at, but I don't see what you're talking in the game options for sound when it comes to camera distance and sound effects. Because I picked up GNB at launch and got it all the way to 80 and never had a problem with it until the changed the SFX.

[Yin111]

I don't mean to downplay it. I understand others are far more sensitive to pitch and tone differences. Could also be hardware. I do not run with more than budget set ups. My music also tends to be louder, so that may factor in.

I do not mean to sound as if you were downplaying the issue, if you had that impression, then I apologize as my use of language may not have been the best suited. What I meant was that, circumstance being unique to the individual, you may not pick-up the difference through no fault of your own, as you have said just now. I understand and acknowledge this.

[Valic]

I'm trying to point out that doing so (and tuning it to sound good) is nearly as much work as making new sound effects which is why they didn't have a new set for either patch 5.05 or 5.08. The audio team having the release sound set and reserve sound set to change to in 5.01 took a fair amount of work even if they can easily rebuild the sound effects from preexisting sound libraries. It is not a question of "Can it be done?" It is a question of "How much time will it take while doing other audio stuff as well?"

Turning up the volume on the explosion sounds is much easier said than done and we were likely spoiled a bit by them having an already prepared alternate sound set for Gunbreaker. 5.01 sound changes were an anomaly and most future sound effect changes are likely to happen during major patches rather than minor ones.

I wouldn't think it would take much time to do if you had already set resources available, organized together, as they had them prior to ShB's release, to take said resources and adjust minor bits in each one. I'll give you credit for giving me hope, but it's honestly not that hard as far as my comment is going. I could record a shoe slapping a door, and a michael bay explosion right now, and mash them together.. then upload it. What's that? The explosion isn't loud enough? Np, I'll take the explosion I recorded earlier and up that in the software I used to put the sounds together, then I'll put the sound of a shoe slapping a door and the newly raised volume explosion together again like I did before, and now upload that. Now this is a bit simplified of course because there's multiple skills that need this done, and more layers to each sound than just 2... But if you get my point, they HAVE preset resources saved and organized, they could jut take what they had, adjust a small portion, and then upload the fixed versions... Not brand new sounds or anything extreme. Literally take a resource you already have, adjust a hair in it, and put it back together like you originally did in the beginning. It'd be like taking a lego sculpture in half, taking out a blue lego for a yellow one, and then putting the half of the sculpture back. It isn't that difficult if they just keep using the resources/sounds they began with.

My sound setup is perfectly fine, but ever since they changed the GNB SFX, the sound quality on GNB is DEFINITELY WENT DOWN. And camera distance doesn't do anything to sound effects that are in hearing distance of the character that I play as. I don't know what in-game sound settings you are looking at, but I don't see what you're talking in the game options for sound when it comes to camera distance and sound effects. Because I picked up GNB at launch and got it all the way to 80 and never had a problem with it until the changed the SFX.

Quality? Yes, volume? Definitely no.

[Hasrat]

Pretty sure it's vocal majority and not minority if you even care take the effort to look at the polls and forums complaining after the changes before commenting.

That's completely illogical, and against the very post I quoted. The comment "Make sure you go to the forums and complain" that OP made is pointing out just how much of a minority the forums represent. The intent of the comment is clearly "some people complained and got it changed, let's do the same."

[Ultimatecalibur]

I wouldn't think it would take much time to do if you had already set resources available, organized together, as they had them prior to ShB's release, to take said resources and adjust minor bits in each one. I'll give you credit for giving me hope, but it's honestly not that hard as far as my comment is going. I could record a shoe slapping a door, and a michael bay explosion right now, and mash them together.. then upload it. What's that? The explosion isn't loud enough? Np, I'll take the explosion I recorded earlier and up that in the software I used to put the sounds together, then I'll put the sound of a shoe slapping a door and the newly raised volume explosion together again like I did before, and now upload that. Now this is a bit simplified of course because there's multiple skills that need this done, and more layers to each sound than just 2... But if you get my point, they HAVE preset resources saved and organized, they could jut take what they had, adjust a small portion, and then upload the fixed versions... Not brand new sounds or anything extreme. Literally take a resource you already have, adjust a hair in it, and put it back together like you originally did in the beginning. It'd be like taking a lego sculpture in half, taking out a blue lego for a yellow one, and then putting the half of the sculpture back. It isn't that difficult if they just keep using the resources/sounds they began with.

And I am saying that you are seriously underselling how much work it takes to make things sound good. It is not as easy as changing out a single blue lego in a sculpture for a yellow one. (You, yourself, even pointed out that you would be forced to deconstruct half the sculpture to do the change.) Turning up the volume might reveal unwanted sounds or hide desired sounds. They may need to shorten or lengthen sounds so that they blend better. Despite your desire for the change to be a simple quick thing to do, it is not.

[AnimaAnimus]

aRe tHE exARcH SANwhIchEs hAndMAde?

ranks up there with "do you guys not have phones?" in clueless dev moments imo

idk if they put those questions in there to be cute or if they are just trying to fill time with nonsense so they can answer fewer serious questions. But regardless its cringy.

[Arsthan]

Raising the volume of the explosions would require that they remix (i.e. remake) the Gunbreaker's actions' soundbites. Individual sound effects don't have a volume slider that can adjust in the game. Modifying the sound effects requires that they use other software rather than just changing various values in the game's code.

I'd like to point out that this is not an issue at all. I checked the SFX files themselves and found out that skills do not have 1 sound file. For example: Burst Strike is made out of 2 files, the slashing one and the explosion. It took quite a long time to find the correct files as they aren't called after the skills they're linked to. Funnily enough, most healing skills have 2 sound files as well, each having a different effect. It'd seem that the game just overlays multiple SFX files when a skill is used.

This might seem like "Why the heck would they split the SFXs up into different files?" but it's actually pretty clever. It lets them adjust volumes of individual things if needed. Or change specific effects that sound off while keeping others in tact.

As for why I know this: I very much tried to mod the old sound files back into the game, just to find out that the modding tools we currently have are absolute garbage aside for modding models and textures. While technically possible to mod sound files, currently there's no tool that would allow this.

So they didn't even need to remake all sound effects. They could have just remade the explosion SFX files, which let's be honest, would take some work but far from a lot.