Thread: 5.08 Patch Notes up

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

... except they won't shift the average when Dragoon has over ten thousand uploads. A few hundred is throwing a water in a river. It would take several thousand to even move the needle, which is so ridiculously improbable it isn't worth discussing. What you're positing would require a massive coordinated effort to intentionally sabotage logs. Such an endeavor would be very easily noticeable and dealt with long before it did any damage. Put simply, the scenario you're describing just isn't going to happen. Now that doesn't make FFlogs the end all be all, but dismissing it outright or even implying the numbers aren't a decent estimate is just plain ignorance.

Um, no. I said 100's. So, let's say 500. If you have 10,000 logs that avg at say 13k DPS, and you add even 500 logs of say 100 DPS, you will knock it down to around 12385 avg damage. But, as I said, this isn't the point, this doesn't need to be done. This just happens naturally by the nature of random uploads with no control in place. You literally have no basis to even determine if a log being submitted is way below what should theoretically be possible by competent play or not. It's literally just random logs by random people all averaged together. That is NOT accurate, at all. Not even a smidgen of accuracy exists in that. As I said, you could take the time to curate specific logs from the site, but the curation process would need to be very solid, but that even that would fall short of a proper test. To just average it all together though is just folly. It simply isn't a matter of sample size, as I said, the fundamental method that data is being collected by is flawed for the purpose it is being used for in that table.

Edit: It isn't actually as bad as I thought it was because the table is using the 95% percentile at least. I still think that isn't accurate enough, but that is much better than just all logs uploaded on the site like I had misread it as.