The difference between WoW and FF14

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There's a lot of toxic people in savage/ex. Trust me. Here are the most notable toxic people I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing:

-PF set up for farm. Toxic guy who only cleared by getting carried sneaks his way into it

-Gets silently kicked, reports party leader for harassment.

-Demands an explanation, finally gets one, reports the person who gave the explanation.

-Attempts to join another savage/ex, PF explicitly states logs will be checked before starting duty. Joins party anyways, gets kicked 3mins later, reports pf leader for log check.

-Goes to forum, complains all savage/ex raiders are toxic. Complains about being called out for underperforming in the most difficult content in the game. Petitions to SE all manner of performance measuring tools and websites should be outright banned. Returns to game to lead completely "non-toxic" inquisition/crusade against all who "don't pay their sub".

And then on the not so quite savage but regular endgame duties, you also have this type:

-Uses half toolkit available, gets called out, files harassment report on the caller

-Was asked if they were new to duty so they could receive crucial tips on certain mechs. Did not respond. Calls other people toxic for not providing help after being called out for dying several times to the same mech.

-Enrolls as tank in 8/24man raid. Does not want to main tank. Starts fighting other tank for aggro.

-Enrolls in 8/24man raid as healer. Tunnel dps. Other healer goes oom. Gets mad at other healer for being called out on not healing. Files report for toxicity.

-Enrolls in 8/24man raid as a dps. Fails to complete dps checks. Petitions SE to nerf content. Calls people who want challenging content toxic.

EDIT: Should be noted here, all the call outs refer to blunt/straightforward/neutral call outs, not the "you stupid, clumsy, *****, what the eff are you doing, you waste of oxygen" call outs.

Wow... what kind of hell hole are you people stuck in? I've never been warned despite calling people out on a regular basis. O.o
Somehow i even got recognized in the 24 man raids the other day. I do wonder if it's because of my bossiness or I was either realy good or really bad lol

Just because they decide to file a report it doesn't mean anything will come out of it. I do wonder how often i've been reported.

This right here is why I don't raid and will probably never do Eden's Gate Titan more than the once. People will dump on me for trying.

Let them be, they were trying something new and watching guides can only do so much. Really learning encounters comes from experiencing them.

Welcome to the game, OP!

This kinda makes me sad. Savage is quite fun. I've been pugging it on my AST to get experience and more often than not I bump into people who are like "we can do this!" instead of having people flaming you. Maybe I've been lucky. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

In my anedoctal experience I see more toxicity in the 24 man raids than Savage pugging. Probably because of the sheer amount of players involved. You're more likely to bump into a bad apple if you're stuck with 23 other people than 7 other people.

Ayhura give it a try at some point.