The difference between WoW and FF14

[DenzelVilliers]

I do play FFXIV for over 6 years and the community is probably the greatest point what called my attention. After all it's a MMO and Community Toxicity is important for social health, FFXIV does have the best and friendly community i've seen in my life.

But toxic people is there, fortunately in comparison to another Online game ( MMO or not ) the toxicty % is way lower. By my personal experience rarely you find those kind of people and usually they are found in End-Game Raid content ( so give preference for pre-made groups, because you can find toxic people at random groups giving shots to everyone who make a mistake there ) and especially Novice Network, that place it's a lost cause, at least in my server.

[Saintly]

Idk what raid it is but sounds like a simple one without dps checks etc.
I doubt anyone would act different in FFXIV in a similar situation, like a MSQ raid.

About world feeling silent i totally understand that and i'm with you.

I cant blame anyone for avoiding chatting outside of FC/linkshells tho, snowflakes/crybabies will report you over anything here and the GM's will barely check the report before warning/banning you.
So its far safer to not say a single word around randoms.

[Skivvy]

So its far safer to not say a single word around randoms.

That's a wee bit ridiculous. I suppose if someone can't manage to string together a sentence that's not full of insults and curse words, perhaps private chats are the way to go. For everyone else, don't worry too much.

Sure, people can send reports for anything, but that doesn't mean anything will come of it.

[Zeonx]

Idk what raid it is but sounds like a simple one without dps checks etc.
I doubt anyone would act different in FFXIV in a similar situation, like a MSQ raid.

About world feeling silent i totally understand that and i'm with you.

I cant blame anyone for avoiding chatting outside of FC/linkshells tho, snowflakes/crybabies will report you over anything here and the GM's will barely check the report before warning/banning you.
So its far safer to not say a single word around randoms.

Yep, I heard people are going to housing section to try to annoy people into starting fights in order to report them and try to make them lose their housing.
lucky I don't own housing but I do have a apt and have noticed wander icons on people in the housing area's from different servers roaming around.

so maybe some truth to that shout I seen.

Also yes people get very hurt now days they were not brought up like 80's and 90's we were told words didn't hurt to be tough there were no laws in place when you got your spanking and took it.

these days, no spankings- set their kids in front of pc or a cell phone let that raise them nobody tells them to ignore harsh words and they are coddled till the age of 18 its why people are sensitive now days.

[Edax]

there were no laws in place when you got your spanking and took it.

How aspirational.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Which is bad reasoning on your part. As I already explained, the forums naturally lend themselves to magnifying negativity. You also only get one carefully-presented side. Astonishingly, people tend to feel their actions were justified and frequently unabashedly lie even when they know they were in the wrong.

Just because I have a different opinion to your own, does not mean I am unreasonable or bad at reasoning. Just because you think the forums lend themselves to magnifying negativity does not mean we can discount people's opinions; also does not mean that it's always an isolated instance as you suggested in one of your earlier posts in this thread. Just because you think someone is lying does not mean they are lying, nor does it mean they are lying unabashedly and despite the actual truth.

For some reason, and I'm trying to only go by what you're posting in this thread, it seems you have taken the stance that your truth is the only truth. What I see, however, is that you are mixing up opinion with truth. Just because you think the forums are only showing bad and rare of examples of an issue within the game, doesn't necessarily mean that is the objective truth. You keep citing yourself, as if you are some absolute authority on this issue; you are not.

[Nixxe]

Just because I have a different opinion to your own, does not mean I am unreasonable or bad at reasoning. Just because you think the forums lend themselves to magnifying negativity does not mean we can discount people's opinions; also does not mean that it's always an isolated instance as you suggested in one of your earlier posts in this thread. Just because you think someone is lying does not mean they are lying, nor does it mean they are lying unabashedly and despite the actual truth.

For some reason, and I'm trying to only go by what you're posting in this thread, it seems you have taken the stance that your truth is the only truth. What I see, however, is that you are mixing up opinion with truth. Just because you think the forums are only showing bad and rare of examples of an issue within the game, doesn't necessarily mean that is the objective truth. You keep citing yourself, as if you are some absolute authority on this issue; you are not.

I've explained to you how and why you are wrong. If you choose not to listen, it won't hurt me.

[SenorPatty]

There's a lot of toxic people in savage/ex. Trust me. Here are the most notable toxic people I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing:

-PF set up for farm. Toxic guy who only cleared by getting carried sneaks his way into it

-Gets silently kicked, reports party leader for harassment.

-Demands an explanation, finally gets one, reports the person who gave the explanation.

-Attempts to join another savage/ex, PF explicitly states logs will be checked before starting duty. Joins party anyways, gets kicked 3mins later, reports pf leader for log check.

-Goes to forum, complains all savage/ex raiders are toxic. Complains about being called out for underperforming in the most difficult content in the game. Petitions to SE all manner of performance measuring tools and websites should be outright banned. Returns to game to lead completely "non-toxic" inquisition/crusade against all who "don't pay their sub".

And then on the not so quite savage but regular endgame duties, you also have this type:

-Uses half toolkit available, gets called out, files harassment report on the caller

-Was asked if they were new to duty so they could receive crucial tips on certain mechs. Did not respond. Calls other people toxic for not providing help after being called out for dying several times to the same mech.

-Enrolls as tank in 8/24man raid. Does not want to main tank. Starts fighting other tank for aggro.

-Enrolls in 8/24man raid as healer. Tunnel dps. Other healer goes oom. Gets mad at other healer for being called out on not healing. Files report for toxicity.

-Enrolls in 8/24man raid as a dps. Fails to complete dps checks. Petitions SE to nerf content. Calls people who want challenging content toxic.

EDIT: Should be noted here, all the call outs refer to blunt/straightforward/neutral call outs, not the "you stupid, clumsy, *****, what the eff are you doing, you waste of oxygen" call outs.

[SturmChurro]

There's a lot of toxic people in savage/ex. Trust me. Here are the most notable toxic people I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing:

-PF set up for farm. Toxic guy who only cleared by getting carried sneaks his way into it

-Gets silently kicked, reports party leader for harassment.

-Demands an explanation, finally gets one, reports the person who gave the explanation.

-Attempts to join another savage/ex, PF explicitly states logs will be checked before starting duty. Joins party anyways, gets kicked 3mins later, reports pf leader for log check.

-Goes to forum, complains all savage/ex raiders are toxic. Complains about being called out for underperforming in the most difficult content in the game. Petitions to SE all manner of performance measuring tools and websites should be outright banned. Returns to game to lead completely "non-toxic" inquisition/crusade against all who "don't pay their sub".

And then on the not so quite savage but regular endgame duties, you also have this type:

-Uses half toolkit available, gets called out, files harassment report on the caller

-Was asked if they were new to duty so they could receive crucial tips on certain mechs. Did not respond. Calls other people toxic for not providing help after being called out for dying several times to the same mech.

-Enrolls as tank in 8/24man raid. Does not want to main tank. Starts fighting other tank for aggro.

-Enrolls in 8/24man raid as healer. Tunnel dps. Other healer goes oom. Gets mad at other healer for being called out on not healing. Files report for toxicity.

-Enrolls in 8/24man raid as a dps. Fails to complete dps checks. Petitions SE to nerf content. Calls people who want challenging content toxic.

EDIT: Should be noted here, all the call outs refer to blunt/straightforward/neutral call outs, not the "you stupid, clumsy, *****, what the eff are you doing, you waste of oxygen" call outs.

Now that's my community.

[Schan]

There's a lot of toxic people in savage/ex. Trust me. Here are the most notable toxic people I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing:

-PF set up for farm. Toxic guy who only cleared by getting carried sneaks his way into it

-Gets silently kicked, reports party leader for harassment.

-Demands an explanation, finally gets one, reports the person who gave the explanation.

-Attempts to join another savage/ex, PF explicitly states logs will be checked before starting duty. Joins party anyways, gets kicked 3mins later, reports pf leader for log check.

-Goes to forum, complains all savage/ex raiders are toxic. Complains about being called out for underperforming in the most difficult content in the game. Petitions to SE all manner of performance measuring tools and websites should be outright banned. Returns to game to lead completely "non-toxic" inquisition/crusade against all who "don't pay their sub".

And then on the not so quite savage but regular endgame duties, you also have this type:

-Uses half toolkit available, gets called out, files harassment report on the caller

-Was asked if they were new to duty so they could receive crucial tips on certain mechs. Did not respond. Calls other people toxic for not providing help after being called out for dying several times to the same mech.

-Enrolls as tank in 8/24man raid. Does not want to main tank. Starts fighting other tank for aggro.

-Enrolls in 8/24man raid as healer. Tunnel dps. Other healer goes oom. Gets mad at other healer for being called out on not healing. Files report for toxicity.

-Enrolls in 8/24man raid as a dps. Fails to complete dps checks. Petitions SE to nerf content. Calls people who want challenging content toxic.

EDIT: Should be noted here, all the call outs refer to blunt/straightforward/neutral call outs, not the "you stupid, clumsy, *****, what the eff are you doing, you waste of oxygen" call outs.

Wow... what kind of hell hole are you people stuck in? I've never been warned despite calling people out on a regular basis. O.o
Somehow i even got recognized in the 24 man raids the other day. I do wonder if it's because of my bossiness or I was either realy good or really bad lol

Just because they decide to file a report it doesn't mean anything will come out of it. I do wonder how often i've been reported.

This right here is why I don't raid and will probably never do Eden's Gate Titan more than the once. People will dump on me for trying.

Let them be, they were trying something new and watching guides can only do so much. Really learning encounters comes from experiencing them.

Welcome to the game, OP!

This kinda makes me sad. Savage is quite fun. I've been pugging it on my AST to get experience and more often than not I bump into people who are like "we can do this!" instead of having people flaming you. Maybe I've been lucky. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

In my anedoctal experience I see more toxicity in the 24 man raids than Savage pugging. Probably because of the sheer amount of players involved. You're more likely to bump into a bad apple if you're stuck with 23 other people than 7 other people.

Ayhura give it a try at some point.