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    Izsha's Avatar
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    Izsha Azel
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Wars have 1 job. Maintain a 30 second buff. If that is to taxing om the simplist tank in the game, i dont know what to tell you.

    If younwant to REPLACE eye with a more interesting mechanic, by all means. But just extending wont do anything. If you arent paying attention in a dungeon it will still fall off. There will still be phase jumps that wont play nicely. This wont solve any of your complaints. It will still be a "chore" if you cant manage it properly at 30 sec you wont manage it well at 40. You can already do full IR wothout breaking combos, have extentions for aoe, can plan applications around boss jumps. None of that changes by adding a few seconds to duration.
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    Jace Ossura
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    "Goring blade is a chore. It takes 3 GCDs to put up a 21 second maintenance effect."
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    Tani Shirai
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Izsha View Post
    If you want to REPLACE eye with a more interesting mechanic, by all means. But just extending wont do anything.
    This. Though, I can already think of a handful of things I'd prefer to include, even if further complicating Warrior (in enjoyable ways), over leaving Storm's Eye as is. I'll take old Inner Release for starters...

    As for Storm's Eye just feeling that little bit "off" in AoE... I'd like the same thing for it as for SAM, combo overlap between single-target combos and AoE combos:
    • Give SAM Art of the Swell, allowing Fuga to combo into Jinpu and Shifu and for single-target and AoE combos not to interrupt each other. Additionally, your AoE skills will decrease the GCD recast time incurred by your next two single-target skills within 5 seconds by 10% per target struck, to a maximum of 30%, while your most recent non-Iajutsu single-target weaponskill will duplicate 30% of its damage dealt into your next AoE. (Potency changes necessary.)

    • Give WAR Storm's Wake: Overpower and Mythril Tempest may now combo to or from their respective single-target combo steps and your Overpower and Heavy Swing combo lines no longer interrupt each other. Thus, Overpower may now combo into Maim and Mythril Tempest into Storm's Eye or Storm's Path and Heavy Swing or Maim into Mythril Tempest. (No potency changes necessary, as this would only affect ST-AoE transitions and initial AoE openers, neither of which are significant in raids.)
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    Nero Ceruleum
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    Leviathan
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Wars have 1 job. Maintain a 30 second buff. If that is to taxing om the simplist tank in the game, i dont know what to tell you.

    If younwant to REPLACE eye with a more interesting mechanic, by all means. But just extending wont do anything. If you arent paying attention in a dungeon it will still fall off. There will still be phase jumps that wont play nicely. This wont solve any of your complaints. It will still be a "chore" if you cant manage it properly at 30 sec you wont manage it well at 40. You can already do full IR wothout breaking combos, have extentions for aoe, can plan applications around boss jumps. None of that changes by adding a few seconds to duration.
    No, war doesn't just have one job and it being just maintaining eye. Warrior isn't necessarily "simplistic" as if one messes up on this rotation it is the most punishing out of all four of the tanks. Simplistic doesn't justify being clunky or having imperfections.

    The fact that you believe an extension will not help calls into question your skill with warrior as well as your experience with content. It can be assumed that you do not play it enough or that you don't have a strong enough understanding of its kit. It's very noticeable and it starts being so at around lv 74, but you won't fully realize just how bad it is until lv 80.

    More actions/ gcds were added in these windows (cyclone and chaos) without thought that this extended the time. However, this issue is *not* new. Based on the rotation itself, there were times you needed to do eye twice just to make sure it didn't fall off during IR's duration.

    There are ways to keep eye up in dungeons which includes forced downtime. Many jobs have ways to keep this up: umbral soul and formshift are two examples. A dark knight can just hit flood to reapply. Warrior doesn't have this leisure and it's a dps loss (doing a single target rotation only to buff yourself to do it again is an unnecessary dps loss). This problem existed for years, it's just now its too obvious to ignore that players are realizing it (many players believed that overpower was not one of wars actual aoe. It wasnt just for aggro).

    An example of a jump is leviathan savage. Maelstrom is about 20s. It takes about 8 to 10s to reapply eye (and you cannot target leviathan right away and based on the mechanic, you may be far away and unable to onslaught). This forces the warrior to be out of sync with the party and party buffs. And this happens more than once.

    It is a chore not because its difficult, but because it is an unnecessary dps loss that no other tank needs to go through. This and the fact that inner chaos pushes the rotation back further means that it *absolutely* benefits from a buffed duration.

    This shows that you do not have enough understanding nor skill to understand how damaging eye is with the added gcds and its duration not being adjusted to accommodate this change. This was an issue with blm for 2 years in stormblood (especially for players with latency or ping issues) , it was fixed. This was an issue with samurai (who has their own form of eye) and it was adjusted (and their buffs flow into their rotation. Eye is just a self buff that provides less BG.

    No other tank needs to waste 3 gcds to go into their window. This is a problem.

    The rebuttal that losing eye would make one combo is pedestrian and lackluster. If it is removed, it needs to be compensated by providing something in its place. This is another issue that warrior has faced with SHB addition.
    Warrior lost too much and gained nothing.

    Btw: someone said not to reapply eye in aoe. This is erroneous. It is dependent on how fast the enemy will die. So reapply it. The fact that the player said not to do it is to admit how faulty this buff is. 10s added is ridiculous when you need at least 20 to 22s to go into IR (without including IC). If this isn't the case, then this player is giving improper advice. Unless its going to die really soon, reapply it.
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    Last edited by millktea; 09-06-2019 at 02:15 AM.