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    Let's be honest though when it comes to fashion Male gear on Female looks far better than the reverse. Don't ask me why but when it come's to Female gear on a male it just doesn't look right to me. Maybe women are just the superior fashion gender! XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiya View Post
    Let's be honest though when it comes to fashion Male gear on Female looks far better than the reverse. Don't ask me why but when it come's to Female gear on a male it just doesn't look right to me. Maybe women are just the superior fashion gender! XD
    Because women's clothing that are designed for women look better on women. It's just natural and has been for centuries. Women are beautiful and the clothing they wear reflects/enhances their beauty. So, when you put such articles of clothing onto the opposite sex, it will not look right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruka_R View Post
    Because women's clothing that are designed for women look better on women. It's just natural and has been for centuries. Women are beautiful and the clothing they wear reflects/enhances their beauty. So, when you put such articles of clothing onto the opposite sex, it will not look right.
    That has nothing to do with the clothing and everything to do with your preconceptions, ingrained in you since childhood, that clothing is gender-specific.

    This is the same argument that created boys and girls toy aisles in the 80s and the reason why, even today, women are made to feel excluded from video games.

    No one here is asking for societal or cultural norms to be altered. We're saying that you shouldn't need a penis to wear a trenchcoat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    ingrained in you since childhood/women are made to feel excluded from video games.
    What in the world are you on about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruka_R View Post
    What in the world are you on about?
    Preconceptions about what is and is not appropriate for the sexes informs a LOT of bias beyond clothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    We're saying that you shouldn't need a penis to wear a trenchcoat.
    ...A penis isn't required to wear a trenchcoat in general? I don't quite understand where you're going with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruka_R View Post
    ...A penis isn't required to wear a trenchcoat in general? I don't quite understand where you're going with this.


    *cough*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    you shouldn't need a penis to wear a trenchcoat.
    If one is required then nobody in this game can wear it.
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    "A good RPG needs a healthy dose of imbalance."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruka_R View Post
    Because women's clothing that are designed for women look better on women. It's just natural and has been for centuries. Women are beautiful and the clothing they wear reflects/enhances their beauty. So, when you put such articles of clothing onto the opposite sex, it will not look right.
    Hello! I made a study on Women's Fashion in the XIXth century (specifically, A Semiotic Study of Women's Fashion in Mexican Ladies' Magazines), I can tell you most of what you said is BS. Clothes have changed depending on what is considered beautiful or attractive depending on the era. Corset styles have varied between squishing the boobs (renaissance corset) to actually reducing the waist (which is what waist trainers are these days), the crinoline was made so women didn't have to wear corsets, because wider hips were attractive; but since "super skinny" became fashionable now we have tighter clothes to accentuate flat figures. Previous to the invention of the button (!) people favored loose garments for both men and women, tied with belts or ribbons. In desertic areas, you also find men favoring looser gowns that help with the heat and sand. Heels were invented for men, they help when horseback riding, and the Court of Versailles favoured big wigs and lots of make up, on men and women equally. The white paste make up was also very popular in the East and can still be seen in Kabuki theater and Geiko.

    Even at the start of last century, baby boys and girls wore in dresses until they reached childhood (I'm pretty sure there's a picture of Churchill in one), and even then, until the 50s (40s? I forget) pink was a masculine color (because it comes from red), while blue was feminine. Even then, clothing shifts culturally between what is considered "maculine" and "feminine."
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage View Post
    Hello! I made a study on Women's Fashion in the XIXth century
    You are not the only one who studied fashion and I'm sure you know silhouette matters. This is not a k-mmo where clothing clings and can just fit another gender. Male AuRa have hourglass figures, so they can pull off an outfit meant for that kind of frame, generally female. It's why potatoes have their own variants, because no totters or real curves outside their oval shape. Making it fit for men means more than stuffing them in a dress that doesn't look right. Which is what some people don't seem to get.

    Another thing to always keep in mind, is target audience. What did the designers intend? Who are they selling it to? When a pretty dress or feminine outfit goes on sale, at the drawing board, there very likely was no "And this is how it looks on men." It's going to look bad, it's going to look like a joke unless it were modified.
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