[Suggestion] Easy way to ban all bots in a single day.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Plenty of MMO's have no trading between characters, no mail system. It seems this is where they could start to freeze out RMT. If there is no way for an account to transfer gil to another account, then there is no need for RMT. Also, maybe doing away with all the gil sinks in the game would decrease the need for gil at early levels (i.e. no cost for using transport and things like that); then you only really need gil to purchase from the MB, which you really only need to do if you are in late game or an avid DoH player.

If getting rid of transfers between player accounts is the price to pay for no more RMT, then I say do it.

[Zfz]

If getting rid of transfers between player accounts is the price to pay for no more RMT, then I say do it.

Removing trade would also require a complete overhaul of the gathering and crafting design, as both are designed with trading in mind. That's a big price to pay. For a significant portion of the player population, it would be as bad as removing, say, all ranged DPS. Or all melee DPS. Or removing all Extreme Primals, or removing all Alliance raids.

[Niwashi]

Plenty of MMO's have no trading between characters, no mail system. It seems this is where they could start to freeze out RMT. If there is no way for an account to transfer gil to another account, then there is no need for RMT.

You're actually proposing a rule that forces everyone to be self-sufficient, forbids crafters and gatherers from selling what they craft/gather, while preventing anyone else from getting crafted items?!? Eliminating the entire economy is a pretty extreme solution to something which is a problem due to the way it hurts the economy. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater and all that.

Or was your post just missing the sarcasm tag? It makes a whole lot more sense that way.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Removing trade would also require a complete overhaul of the gathering and crafting design, as both are designed with trading in mind. That's a big price to pay. For a significant portion of the player population, it would be as bad as removing, say, all ranged DPS. Or all melee DPS. Or removing all Extreme Primals, or removing all Alliance raids.

You're actually proposing a rule that forces everyone to be self-sufficient, forbids crafters and gatherers from selling what they craft/gather, while preventing anyone else from getting crafted items?!? Eliminating the entire economy is a pretty extreme solution to something which is a problem due to the way it hurts the economy. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater and all that.

I am not saying removing the MB, I am saying remove the ability for one player to transfer goods/gil to another player via individual trade screen/mog mail.

[AlphaFox]

Then it just becomes "Sell Apple for 5mil" only people who would buy it is the bot farmers to send the gil to the main account. Which I admit would in turn allow them to see which account holds it but I would like to also assume they can find the random jibberish names with millions of gil at level 1.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Then it just becomes "Sell Apple for 5mil" only people who would buy it is the bot farmers to send the gil to the main account. Which I admit would in turn allow them to see which account holds it but I would like to also assume they can find the random jibberish names with millions of gil at level 1.

True, but I would think it easier to keep an eye on the MB for blatantly obvious transactions like selling/buying an apple for 5mil Gil, versus having to comb through the ridiculous amounts of player to player transfers and mog mail. Not to mention, MB transactions are available for all of us to see, while the other player to player transactions must be rooted out by a GM. I would think they could add a RMT report option for MB transactions that scream RMT; then they have another option for these issues to be brought to GM attention.


EDIT: To be fair, a lot of those random gibberish names look very similar to the FF name generator names.

[Niwashi]

I am not saying removing the MB, I am saying remove the ability for one player to transfer goods/gil to another player via individual trade screen/mog mail.

Then it doesn't do anything to gil sellers. The MB is already a common way for them to transfer gil. Becoming the exclusive way wouldn't matter to them.

I would think they could add a RMT report option for MB transactions that scream RMT

Nothing would scream RMT. It would only scream gil transfer through the MB, but that's already the most common way for players to transfer gil to their alts, and would immediately become the way people transfer gil to friends as well. So long as transferring gil through the market board is possible (i.e. so long as the market board exists) people will continue to trade gil with each other for both legitimate and illegitimate reasons, and nothing will have been accomplished except to make it a little more of a hassle. Players care about hassle. Bots don't.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Fair enough I guess.