Why does battle high exist?

[JanVanding]

You assume too much. Don’t assume your definition of PvP is a universal fact because it is not. Anything that move and it is not same colour as you, it is legit killable target. Sprout will grow up one day and straggler will learn from the mistake. You don’t punish veterans just because sprouts can not take heat.

Spoken like a WAR Bright Wizard "Combust is fine, it's not might fault people can't handle it"

Again, I stress it's not the presence of the buff, it's the size of the increase, it's too much, everyone knows it's too much, that's why the defense revolves around "Git Gud" which is the last bastion of those that have nothing to add.

Edit: Just to note, I can pull from a plethora of PVP centric MMOs where such arguments have been uttered and in the end, the nerfbat came. Sometimes far harder than it should have. It was because of this lack of acceptance among the most diehard defenders, instead of going "okay, it's overpowered, here's how it could be adjusted so it's not utter garbage" where they might have fostered better rapport with their fellow players and devs if they had just been honest and given that bit of ground.

I remember Bright Wizards getting an entire spec nerfed into the ground all because they would not accept that maybe, just maybe it was over-tuned and as class ambassadors, they could have offered good feedback to avoid that situation.

[Samsta]

Spoken like a WAR Bright Wizard "Combust is fine, it's not might fault people can't handle it"

Again, I stress it's not the presence of the buff, it's the size of the increase, it's too much, everyone knows it's too much, that's why the defense revolves around "Git Gud" which is the last bastion of those that have nothing to add.

Edit: Just to note, I can pull from a plethora of PVP centric MMOs where such arguments have been uttered and in the end, the nerfbat came. Sometimes far harder than it should have. It was because of this lack of acceptance among the most diehard defenders, instead of going "okay, it's overpowered, here's how it could be adjusted so it's not utter garbage" where they might have fostered better rapport with their fellow players and devs if they had just been honest and given that bit of ground.

I remember Bright Wizards getting an entire spec nerfed into the ground all because they would not accept that maybe, just maybe it was over-tuned and as class ambassadors, they could have offered good feedback to avoid that situation.

Bright wizard? I thought you were talking about warhammer fantasy there for a sec lol

[Divinemights]

Don’t know what Bright Wizard is and don’t know which game coming from but it sounds to me a job design failure to me. (Please do correct me if I am wrong.). This is not the same as a combat mechanic that is available to everyone. Literally everyone, just like kill streak in Call of Duty.

[KageTokage]

It's available to everyone, but it's a crapshoot as to whether or not you'll even get high/fever since you can't guarantee the same players are going to be getting kills all time (Though the chances are obviously higher on burst heavy classes like DNC/BLM) unless you're in a premade or something which makes it inherently flawed as a balancing mechanic.

What practically amounts to luck can make the difference between an evenly matched team ending up with no highs/fever or multiple fevers.

[Divinemights]

This type of players usually post no real threat, because their BF/BH is from kill steal (most of them; there are exceptions). A good tank will mark this type of players and they will be removed fair quickly because of focus fire. Especially , post 4.5 you should always focus fire range jobs on the Frontline.

[BloodRubyXII]

This type of players usually post no real threat, because their BF/BH is from kill steal (most of them; there are exceptions). A good tank will mark this type of players and they will be removed fair quickly because of focus fire. Especially , post 4.5 you should always focus fire range jobs on the Frontline.

Yeah, to be honest, this is going to be another 6 pages of people going round in "git gud" circles but it's just meme to continue at this point, but anyone decent knows how to play vs battle high. It isn't an autowin condition unless an entire premade has it in 24man - even then you can still win because there's rarely any premades that take FL seriously enough to play flawlessly. The mechanics been in the game ages and yet people who have come to do the last bit of garo push are crying now because it's a mechanic that only causes salt if you're bad or new and most of these players won't be heard from again when PvP is just worth exp and marks and are never around to otherwise provide constructive feedback to SE throughout PvP seasons and patches - so I don't even know why I bother arguing this case anymore.

I'm gonna head out.

[Divinemights]

I hope you realize by now that you are not making any progress on this topic to no where. Every paths lead to same dead end: “you need to git gud”. There is no point to make further discussion because both side will agree each other and I am not going teach you 101 ways of correctly remove BF/BH players.

[KageTokage]

I don't really intend/expect for this to go anywhere and was just putting in a last word, TBH.

Some people are okay with how it is now, others aren't. Such is the case for several other aspects of XIV in general and nothing will change that.

I do find it a bit weird that people don't think there's anything about the mechanic that needs tweaking at all, but I guess they're just fine with having their kill credit stolen by some random after they did like 90% of the work.

I'm also perfectly aware of how to remove them but actually putting it into practice is the hard part when you can't control the behavior of other players on your team. They should be instinctively trying to focus down players with highs but they just...don't a lot of the time. Maybe telling them you get bonus marks for killing them before a match starts will help...