Question for healers about GNB

[Tlachtga]

You really shouldn't. If you use them at the same time you run out of CDs very quickly.

Running out of cds isn't an issue unless its still the first pull (in which case you should adjust because your group isn't great)

Most dungeons have at best two mass pulls before each boss. The ones that don't will have small pulls instead, with which your fluff cds will suffice.

Also you don't need to.

You technically don't need to pop any cds, but we're trying to help out the healers as much as possible here.

You can use Rampart and Nebula alone just fine.

That's going to be heavily dependant on how good your group is, because Rampart alone in a mass pull is nowhere near enough, unless you're being babysitted.

You can make a case for the 30% alone, if the group dps is good. I'd still rather just throw up Arm's Length anyway.

And if you use it to early you waste a lot of HP and safty-time.

You get the 8s of invuln regardless. I'd rather burn 30k hp and have the pull succeed than min-max my Superbolide usage (which it shouldn't really come down to in the first place anyway)

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Running out of cds isn't an issue unless its still the first pull (in which case you should adjust because your group isn't great)

Most dungeons have at best two mass pulls before each boss. The ones that don't will have small pulls instead, with which your fluff cds will suffice.

It depends on the dungeon and the group. Sure, when you go in an older Dungeon with overgeared people you can burn your CDs all you like (but you don't need to anyway). But with undergeared people or in Expert where most ppl are still near minimum item levels, you will need your CDs as DPS won't burn the mobs down that fast. Especially in that first big pull on Akadaemia.

Now, getting a bad or undergeared Healer is an whole other thing. But then you would probably stop doing big pulls anyway.

You technically don't need to pop any cds, but we're trying to help out the healers as much as possible here.

Yes. And helping your healer is best by reducing the incoming dmg constantly over the whole pull then beeing nearly invincible at the beginning and running out of CDs. Of course, if you know you don't need your CDs later or if you need to cover some time (for example the healer just died and is getting resurrected by the SMN) you can pop them indeed together, but I wouldn't give that advice as a general rule. Adjusting to the circumstances is one thing, but wasting CDs is another.

That's going to be heavily dependant on how good your group is, because Rampart alone in a mass pull is nowhere near enough, unless you're being babysitted.

That's why I start with Nebula. Until I reach Rampart there is also arm's length and the first mobs should be dead at this point so DMG will be lower. Always start with your strongest CD.

You get the 8s of invuln regardless. I'd rather burn 30k hp and have the pull succeed than min-max my Superbolide usage (which it shouldn't really come down to in the first place anyway)

It's simple math as the time it takes to actually burn my hp down by the mobs counts too. If I just pop my Superbolide we will get 8 seconds. If I wait 4 seconds longer before I pop it the party actually gain 12 seconds. The longer I wait, the longer I survive, more mobs may die as the healer can longer DPS and if the healing cast is coming in this 4 seconds, I may not even need SB at all.

Don't forget to use Heart of Light too, not just for party damage, it is yet another self CD.

Well, HoL only reduces magic damage so unless the mobs are attacking you with magic spells it doesn't do anything for you in big pulls. It's better to use this [and Reprisal] for the bosses.

[Rilifane]

People claim to not like healing GNB because of Superbolide and they pretend that every GNB spams it as soon as it's available. Just like how they insist that every PLD uses Clemency as much as physically possible in order to waste their heals.

Maybe healers shouldn't let their tanks be at 10% while they're still DPSing, and maybe they wouldn't use Superbolide so much. Also: in like 90% of content, who cares if they waste an oGCD because the tank used Superbolide right after. Server ticks and ping are a thing, and as every Good Player has ever said to me, "No one died, so who cares."

If you're physically unable to heal a tank without Benediction/Lustrate/etc., git gud.

Someone is asking for advice to play more efficiently and even wants to hear other role's point of view and you just say "who cares?". What's with that attitude? You're just coming across as salty here.

If a GNB uses Superbolide when at 10% or lower while I'm still dpsing, I'd call it efficiency. Same as timing Bene that it hits at really low HP. Or utilizing Bene/ Lustrate/ ED in general. Caring about your own efficiency is "gitting gud". So let him and everyone else who asks for advice, different point of views and is open for criticism/ improvement "git gud", alright?

[Allegor]

People claim to not like healing GNB because of Superbolide and they pretend that every GNB spams it as soon as it's available.

I literally just came out of a Prae run where the tank would do just this, probably to make the fights any more challenging lol

That said, sometimes it's on the tank, like those who like sprinting and pulling half the dungeon. If they die doing that, it's 100% on them.

[Miziliti]

I assume you are talking about dungeon run because healing GNB is a breeze in boss fight. I love GNB and got a lvl 80 one myself.

The biggest thing I have to tell new GNB is to please use Rampart on your very first big pull, please. With 20% mitigation, I can actually heal you and dps.
Please prioritize Rampart over Camouflage. Camouflage's 10% mitigation really is weak and that parry is still quite useless if you are not the guy that carries a shield <_<

Use Heart of Stone whenever possible. This is one of the best tank defensive cool down.

Don't forget Nebula. When everything is on cd, anything helps.

Superbolide should be no problem for any healer to deal with, really. It is 8s complete invuln, no damage taken and you don't die. Miles ahead of holmgang and 1000% better than living dead. I guess some healers hated it because you either use it on >10-20% hp or they don't know when you use it, so make a macro to announce it when you use could really help. Use it when you think you might die, and you might just lived.

[Saefinn]

I guess Superbolide is about the only thing I imagine, GNB is a good tank so nothing else stands out as anything for healers to have a problem with that your don't get with other tanks.

Generally I'd say use Superbolide for mechanics that need invincibility or if you must, should your healer be clearly struggling, taking big hits or being low on health doesn't mean that the healer is, so that one can be a tougher call. Maybe if they have already let you die once or twice, then it's a little more reasonable you pop it when your health is low.

However, I think a good courtesy is to have a macro to announce that you've just popped it, then the healer knows they don't have to waste a CD. And they don't have to buy a new pair of underwear.

Also I am guilty of misfiring Superbolide 3 or 4 tines by accident, and I have since moved it somewhere else on my crossbar, so I'm sorry to all those healers. :P

[CupidCrux]

Is GNB an issue? (i havn't seen the threads forgive me) If anything I think they try harder because they are newest to tanking that job. Actually I like that they (in my experience) pull a little less and focus on their training and ask healers if they can pull more or are attentative to the party makeup. Other tanks.... >_>>>>

[Pepsi_Plunge]

If I want to use Superbolide tactically for a big pull, I announce it to the healer beforehand so they know what is coming. Otherwise I just pop it if I ever should fall below 10%, because at this point it is a safty net and the healer has to heal me up anyway.

But most times I simply don't need it.

[KanameYuuki]

Don't forget to use Heart of Light too, not just for party damage, it is yet another self CD.

[Roxas_Andrade]

Usually GNB gives me a jump scare with their invulnerability, specially when I see them dropping from 60% to 1... But it's nothing more than that...

The optimal use for this move is when you're about to die, but it's kinda unpredictable, so we understand...