Primal drop system, still no changes?!

[Tigercub]

I get it, you have envy. I get it, you're frustrated because you have a goal and you can't get to it when you want to get to it. I get it, you want to have the best stuff possible. These are all natural feelings. But anyone with a modicum of reality also knows that you are not entitled to any of that, and getting any of that is really a bonus. So with that said, go do your thing and leave Ifrit alone for a bit.

Reality is I go and do difficult or tedious tasks for money. I don't do them for free because my time is not free by any definition. When someone puts effort in in real life, reality, they're entitled to the payoffs, whatever they may be. Give me a good reason why I should not be entitled to something in game if I work my ass off for it. Because it's not the rules? I know the established MMO rules of luck based drops, and there's a major difference here. You can't pass these drops over to the people that need them, despite working as a group on this stuff.

I did all of the NMs with horrendous drop rates in FFXI and I never felt ripped off when the item didn't drop because when the item did eventually drop I knew it would go to someone who needed it. This chest business in FFXIV is a completely different animal. We watch repeat weapons burn while others are left with nothing. That's just rubbing it in our faces.

If we can't pass loot, then at least let us make consistent, discernible progress like with relic weapons. They were a nightmare to obtain but you at least knew where you were and that all of your efforts weren't in vain.

I had a double melded gaxe and lance that came nowhere near the ifrits parse.... sooooooooooooooo ya. stopped reading your post right there.

And this +1

[Jinko]

Yea weapon DMG stat is much more powerful than regular stats like STR & ATKP.

Now if SE added +DMG materia to the game you would have a point. (they won't though because that would break the game)

[Lux_Rayna]

I had a double melded gaxe and lance that came nowhere near the ifrits parse.... sooooooooooooooo ya. stopped reading your post right there.

No offense Pep but we probably have very different opinions about "nowhere near". As I said, I outparsed an LNC with Ifrit's harpoon while I was using a single melded NQ Lance....by a fair amount. It is what it is, I don't buy "nowhere near" for a second.

Also, not all double melds are created equal. You need to start spitting values or something, and a precise definition of nowhere near, as well as exactly what situation it was in. Pity you stopped reading though

EDIT: Though actually this is a pretty severe diversion from the topic, in any case there are weapons that come really close to Ifrit Weapons' base dmg anyway so....back to my original point: Primal weapons aren't necessary.

[Jinko]

EDIT: Though actually this is a pretty severe diversion from the topic, in any case there are weapons that come really close to Ifrit Weapons' base dmg anyway so....back to my original point: Primal weapons aren't necessary.

I guess we will see in the next patch when we get DPS values on weapons.

[Lux_Rayna]

I guess we will see in the next patch when we get DPS values on weapons.

Thats true! For sure..hard to tell with individual ability skewing results mid-fight and such.

[Firon]

Lux that just mean you rotated your skills better than him/her. Anyone who got an ifrits wep can see the dmg jump it's to big not to notice.

[Wevlum]

This is just not a debatable point. Double melded weapons, even non-meldable weapons from chests, can rival Ifrit weapons. Not even joking, I dont know why you are trying to argue this right now. If that wasn't the case, everyone without an ifrit weapon would be *broken* and that is not even true. I've topped parsers on ppl with a single melded lance who were using Ifrits Harpoon. Please stop blowing smoke, seriously. Let's get back to truth here.

The reality is, Ifrit weapons have the best base dps in the game. Its damage is only slightly superior to any given double melded hq weapon. Just try it. Im serious. Go get a double melded STR, or a double melded TIV attack, hq and all..and tell me that its nowhere close to Ifrit damage. If you're a min/maxer I get the frustration, but at the end of the day those few points do not make or break your dps. You can outdo an Ifrit weapon in terms of DPS on skill level alone. Been there done that, its not even much of an accomplishment. You are deluded if you think it changes that much. Trust me, when I got my Ifrits harpoon i was disappointed over the improvement in damage. Its not very much.

Btw, that thread's initial testing was fairly old. As of now stats have been improved, and the soft caps are supposedly higher. You can go over 300 STR and still see improvement. Go look it up. Oh and even when STR caps, you can load up on attack all day. So all in all, no, dmg is not *the* end all be all of dps. Base dmg is important tho, get as much as you can, but this is far from making Ifrit weapons necessary.



Its not supposed to be fair, I fail to see what gave you the impression that a luck-based drop is supposed to be fair. Its bad enough the fight is easy as cake, but on top of that it has the chance to give you the best weapons available. On top of that, ppl feel entitled to them, as if an easy fight should give them the best weapon for their class just because they can spam it without difficulty. That's just not the case. Yeah I spent millions of gil trying to get a double meld and didn't get one. Boohoo for me, I don't think that just because Joe Shmoe got one in a couple tries that I should be entitled to have one myself. The game gives you *lots* of options for powerful weapons. Pick one where your luck doesn't suck.

In my case, my luck sucked on melds and it didn't suck on Ifrit. Your luck might be better in strongholds, on hq melds, or even in dungeons. Point is the game shouldnt bow down and give ppl exactly what they want just because they put out the effort. Luck based drops are supposed to be luck based drops. If you can't get Ifrit, get Moogle, buy one of the new weapons on the MW, or try your hand at melding. Soooo many options yet ppl whine and complain that they can't get the best weapons in the game from a fight thats as easy as Ifrit was.

I'll reiterate, again, there's no valid reason for anyone being so hung up on Ifrit weapons. Some of you are so fixated its borderline unhealthy. Do your Ifrit from time to time, work on other ways to improve your weapons, and stop worrying about Sally down the street. Who cares what Sally got? Just worry about you. I get it, you have envy. I get it, you're frustrated because you have a goal and you can't get to it when you want to get to it. I get it, you want to have the best stuff possible. These are all natural feelings. But anyone with a modicum of reality also knows that you are not entitled to any of that, and getting any of that is really a bonus. So with that said, go do your thing and leave Ifrit alone for a bit.

tl;dr you're all unworthy only the lucky can have an Ifrit's weapon and those of you that don't have it and want it have the epeen problem not those of you that have it and want it to be almost impossible for other people to get it. I don't even...

"Its not supposed to be fair, I fail to see what gave you the impression that a luck-based drop is supposed to be fair. Its bad enough the fight is easy as cake, but on top of that it has the chance to give you the best weapons available. On top of that, ppl feel entitled to them, as if an easy fight should give them the best weapon for their class just because they can spam it without difficulty."

Ok. Firstly that's why there are all these people posting here, we want it to be fair. We've all dealt with the unfair system decided it was unfair and thus came to conclusion SE might wanna look into it since the playerbase is getting annoyed. We aren't laughing it off anymore we're just sick of a crappy mechanic that's going to be the core of most content until 2.0 (maybe beyond) since most of the content currently is primals.

Secondly, ok the fight is easy. Who made the fight Lux? Us or SE? That's right....SE did it! So does that mean we should be punished for it? Personally I don't think so, if SE made something too easy in your opinion that doesn't mean they should punish us by making us spam the same easy fight over and over.

Finally, yes after 200 runs people do feel entitled to a weapon for the class they're using because they've done the same fight over 200 times. That's not entitlement that's just wanting the pain to end.

[Aguilla]

Ifrits drop system is completely failboat, and there is nothing to be done about it. those ppl saying "oh its fine the drop rate isnt bad" yada yada shouldnt even be posting in here, go play with your weapons. the truth of the matter is that the ifrit loot system sucks super hard. how can you possibly remedy horrible drop rates on weapons with even more horrible drop rates on totems, then have the balls to take back the idea of reducing the cost of a weapon because you feel like this game isnt a time sink enough?

they should open a Full Sail in japan, and you should all go back to programming school. a lot of players go 150+ wins without anything whatsoever, or maybe one totem that will rot in your inventory forever. OR we end up getting an ifrit weapon to a job we cant even use. if you are going to torture the people that have dedicated so much time to a game that should have been collected and burned in bonfires, at least do ONE nice thing for us that does'nt involve the idea of making us spend more money to fill your pockets. i dont know, something like IF a weapon drops in the chest, it will only be a weapon you can equip (e.g if i have mrd,thm,gld, regardless of drop rate, i know im getting one of the three.)

i would liken the relationship between this game and A LOT of its players to say, the relationship between the citizens of Cleveland, and the Cavaliers. Yea we love our team, and we will stick with them through a lot, but good lord do they suck. do you guys even play your own game? and enjoy it? sometimes i wonder...

[ArkNova]

do you guys even play your own game? and enjoy it? sometimes i wonder...

I have been wondering that alot lately, if the people that make the game really play it for enjoyment. The only rep I can recall mentioning their player was "Rukkirii". But more then likely we will never hear a rep say the things we say cause 1 they would probably be terminated and 2 if a rep really did say something along the lines like "yeah the whole Ifrit system is really crappy" that alone could cause serious damage. Positive or negative damage is anyone's guess.

[Treach]

No offense Pep but we probably have very different opinions about "nowhere near". As I said, I outparsed an LNC with Ifrit's harpoon while I was using a single melded NQ Lance....by a fair amount. It is what it is, I don't buy "nowhere near" for a second.

Also, not all double melds are created equal. You need to start spitting values or something, and a precise definition of nowhere near, as well as exactly what situation it was in. Pity you stopped reading though

EDIT: Though actually this is a pretty severe diversion from the topic, in any case there are weapons that come really close to Ifrit Weapons' base dmg anyway so....back to my original point: Primal weapons aren't necessary.

Just think how good you could be if you had ifrit weapons, you'd out parse that horrible player probably by over 9000.