Primal drop system, still no changes?!

[Elexia]

You don't need any reason to help others than to help, that's why its called help.

Is FFXIV your first MMO? Is interacting with humans not your forte? Playing MMOs people like incentives for helping others, you can't deny this. It was a serious question by the way, as I can guarantee you don't go out of your way to help people shouting for these fights ^^

[LovePotion]

Is FFXIV your first MMO? Is interacting with humans not your forte? Playing MMOs people like incentives for helping others, you can't deny this. It was a serious question by the way, as I can guarantee you don't go out of your way to help people shouting for these fights ^^

I go out of my way to help shout groups for just about anything all the time. Of course people like incentives but they aren't necessary. People don't donate to a cause or charity for personal gain, they do so in the spirit of helping others (Usually)-- I'm with Jinko on this and I don't understand the direction you're taking here. Are you saying if there's nothing in it for you, it's not worth doing?

[Kiara]

Doing the same fight over and over again is work. At work, I get paid by the hour. I know I'm going to make a certain amount by the end of the week and that's largely the reason why I do my job. I would not work for a randomly generated amount of money which is inclined to be low or nothing. I feel the same way about repeat boss encounters - I don't feel compelled to even try.

I mean, I did at first. But after about 20 runs and only seeing two totems drop (to other people), my interest quickly waned. SE, this is not a good model if you're just trying to stretch out content. All you're doing is making us just as bored as if there were nothing to do, and the rewards which supposedly keep us interested simply feel unobtainable.

I don't feel these rewards are something I can work towards, which is something people who are on a tight schedule need. If I spend a lot of time on something and make absolutely zero progress, square one, no better off whatsoever, I feel utterly ripped off because my time is neither free nor infinite. Not only that, but I'm actually paying to waste my time.

Hi Aion, Dzian, Tigercub,

Very good points. This is what I was alluding to and hope we could get some Dev Response on in this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Level-Content/

This type of Forced Inventory / No Passing / Low Drop Rate / Random Number Generator "Repeat the Same Content for Hundreds of Times, so it buys us (Square Enix) time for the next patch" mentality is already wearing very thin, and we haven't even gotten any serious or meaningful or fulfilling Max Level Content yet.

There has to be a change, or there's going to be severe burnout at the risk of turning away even your most loyal fans.

[Elexia]

Are you saying if there's nothing in it for you, it's not worth doing?

If you deny the majority of the gamers who play MMOs aren't like this, then you haven't played many MMOs. This is exactly why people complain about having to spam content, they want to get their stuff and never touch it again.

[Enma]

Guys, the real problem is: "If you want to help someone to get X Ifrit/Moogle weapon, you really can't!".
If you had a friend that need i.e. Moogle Axe, you have NO certainties about it, and no clues about how many runs you have to do for it!
It's not just a simple selfish speech, but it's a real problem. Your help stops in tempting fate with your friends, and for me this is not really helping someone.

P.S.
I hope what I've written is comprehensible

[Reinheart]

One thing I don't get is

1. Reps said devs are looking into making the totems/nuts 100% drop since just increasing the drop rate will still have those unlucky people not getting any.
2. Reps then said instead of making 100% they will reduce the number of totem/nuts required since it's more likely that you will go with unfamiliar people than static and help those people out.
3. Now they said they are keeping the Ifrit at 10 totems

so basically for Ifrit the system is still same, we got the crappy totem drop rate on top of same trade rate for content that's gonna be less popular once Garuda comes out in 1.22 along with other new contents like Hamlet Defense, etc they are working on.

Posted on the JP side the same thing above here: http://goo.gl/eNLRZ

Posted in there to see what they will reply back with since it sucks for some of us who got 5 totems and we passed the other totems to others thinking we can get the weapons with 5 totems after the 2nd information from the reps.

[Vire]

One thing I don't get is

1. Reps said devs are looking into making the totems/nuts 100% drop since just increasing the drop rate will still have those unlucky people not getting any.
2. Reps then said instead of making 100% they will reduce the number of totem/nuts required since it's more likely that you will go with unfamiliar people than static and help those people out.
3. Now they said they are keeping the Ifrit at 10 totems

so basically for Ifrit the system is still same, we got the crappy totem drop rate on top of same trade rate for content that's gonna be less popular once Garuda comes out in 1.22 along with other new contents like Hamlet Defense, etc they are working on.

Posted on the JP side the same thing above here: http://goo.gl/eNLRZ

Posted in there to see what they will reply back with since it sucks for some of us who got 5 totems and we passed the other totems to others thinking we can get the weapons with 5 totems after the 2nd information from the reps.

What is the general opinion on the JP side of things and do they know that we are pissed off over here?

[Reinheart]

What is the general opinion on the JP side of things and do they know that we are pissed off over here?

I made sure they see it

They didn't jump on the rep as much as they did on the NA side, only few including me bitching over there lol

[Elexia]

I made sure they see it

They didn't jump on the rep as much as they did on the NA side, only few including me bitching over there lol

Yeah, even if they get pissed they still take it in strides.

[Wevlum]

I'm just wondering how the reaction to this news is going down at HQ.

Camate: Sir, we seem to have an uprising on our hands.
Yoshi-P: Did you appreciate their understanding?
Camate: Of course Sir.
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