Primal drop system, still no changes?!

[ArkNova]

Don't worry your weapon drop will come...for a job you don't use~

I have 1 level 50 class and 4 ifrit weapons those 4 are for my lowest classes

[Gerrr]

Solution: Make an achievement for 300 ifrit wins with a consolation being your choice of weapon! hahah I kd,i i kid.

[AlaulaTheGreat]

Ha, or make it so that the second ifirit weapon that forces it's way into your inventory upgrades what ever weapon into +1.

[Reinheart]

Did 9 runs last night 3 totems among party, 3 weapons and all 3 were dupes and went to dump ><

[Keftenk]

Did 9 runs last night 3 totems among party, 3 weapons and all 3 were dupes and went to dump ><

SE: Instilling hope for players in 2.0.


Lol....what a joke.

[Vire]

Just so everyone knows the score on that Reinheart probably spent around four and a half hours beating Ifrit and of the 8 people who went 3 of them got a totem. That is roughly 4% drop rate but even at a generous 5%. It could take Hundreds of hours just beating the boss to get 10 totems for all 8. Thats just for one of the seven weapons.

[Lux_Rayna]

I still dont get the QQ over the Ifrit Weapons. I still say its ppl crying that their epeen will always be a couple inches shorter than someone else's just because they dont have them. Go doublemeld a weapon and be happy. That more or less rivals Ifrit weapons, even beats them in some cases.

And before you say "its not about epeen im a completionist," last time I checked 100% completion is supposed to be tedious and time-consuming. If you hate being a completionist, but are compelled to continue your practices, rest assured you have my sympathy. SE can't help you though. You should probably see a shrink, jus sayin.

[Tigercub]

I still dont get the QQ over the Ifrit Weapons. I still say its ppl crying that their epeen will always be a couple inches shorter than someone else's just because they dont have them. Go doublemeld a weapon and be happy. That more or less rivals Ifrit weapons, even beats them in some cases.

And before you say "its not about epeen im a completionist," last time I checked 100% completion is supposed to be tedious and time-consuming. If you hate being a completionist, but are compelled to continue your practices, rest assured you have my sympathy. SE can't help you though. You should probably see a shrink, jus sayin.

It doesn't have to be easy, it just has to be something we can work towards and feel like we're making progress, as opposed to what we have now where statistical outliers might spend hundreds of hours and never get what they're looking for, while others get everything they need in a few fights. Simply put it is not a system which is fair or equal to everyone in terms of time and effort invested. We all pay the same amount, why should we not expect equal returns for our time?

I've done the Ifrit fight maybe 20~25 times and come out with nothing but Dark Matter and a lot of repair bills. How do I know the next 25 fights won't be the same? Or the 25 after that? I've spent a lot of hours and gil on something and come out with zero. "Tedious and time consuming" would imply that I would have at least made some progress towards a distant goal. I have not.

Easy is not what I'm looking for. Consistency is.
And double melded weapons aren't equal in most cases.

[Kinseykinz]

I still dont get the QQ over the Ifrit Weapons.

When you have the achievement for beating him...and have killed him for 100+ times to either never get a drop and/or not get the item you need yet watch your party members get duplicates of it every 3 fights, come back and tell us how it's fair or people are crazy. For now, just know, *if* our complaining can get changes for the better, you will also benefit from them.

[Lux_Rayna]

The most important stat on your weapon if you are a psychical damage dealer is the weapon damage. No amount of str or attack power can make up for this because those stats soft cap depending on the weapon damage go read the str/pie testing thread in the dragoon forms if you want the math behind it so no what you just said isn't a fact.

So in a game where the most important metric right now is the speed you kill things getting the most damage out of your job is just a epeen contest got it.

This is just not a debatable point. Double melded weapons, even non-meldable weapons from chests, can rival Ifrit weapons. Not even joking, I dont know why you are trying to argue this right now. If that wasn't the case, everyone without an ifrit weapon would be *broken* and that is not even true. I've topped parsers on ppl with a single melded lance who were using Ifrits Harpoon. Please stop blowing smoke, seriously. Let's get back to truth here.

The reality is, Ifrit weapons have the best base dps in the game. Its damage is only slightly superior to any given double melded hq weapon. Just try it. Im serious. Go get a double melded STR, or a double melded TIV attack, hq and all..and tell me that its nowhere close to Ifrit damage. If you're a min/maxer I get the frustration, but at the end of the day those few points do not make or break your dps. You can outdo an Ifrit weapon in terms of DPS on skill level alone. Been there done that, its not even much of an accomplishment. You are deluded if you think it changes that much. Trust me, when I got my Ifrits harpoon i was disappointed over the improvement in damage. Its not very much.

Btw, that thread's initial testing was fairly old. As of now stats have been improved, and the soft caps are supposedly higher. You can go over 300 STR and still see improvement. Go look it up. Oh and even when STR caps, you can load up on attack all day. So all in all, no, dmg is not *the* end all be all of dps. Base dmg is important tho, get as much as you can, but this is far from making Ifrit weapons necessary.

When you have the achievement for beating him...and have killed him for 100+ times to either never get a drop and/or not get the item you need yet watch your party members get duplicates of it every 3 fights, come back and tell us how it's fair or people are crazy. For now, just know, *if* our complaining can get changes for the better, you will also benefit from them.

Its not supposed to be fair, I fail to see what gave you the impression that a luck-based drop is supposed to be fair. Its bad enough the fight is easy as cake, but on top of that it has the chance to give you the best weapons available. On top of that, ppl feel entitled to them, as if an easy fight should give them the best weapon for their class just because they can spam it without difficulty. That's just not the case. Yeah I spent millions of gil trying to get a double meld and didn't get one. Boohoo for me, I don't think that just because Joe Shmoe got one in a couple tries that I should be entitled to have one myself. The game gives you *lots* of options for powerful weapons. Pick one where your luck doesn't suck.

In my case, my luck sucked on melds and it didn't suck on Ifrit. Your luck might be better in strongholds, on hq melds, or even in dungeons. Point is the game shouldnt bow down and give ppl exactly what they want just because they put out the effort. Luck based drops are supposed to be luck based drops. If you can't get Ifrit, get Moogle, buy one of the new weapons on the MW, or try your hand at melding. Soooo many options yet ppl whine and complain that they can't get the best weapons in the game from a fight thats as easy as Ifrit was.

I'll reiterate, again, there's no valid reason for anyone being so hung up on Ifrit weapons. Some of you are so fixated its borderline unhealthy. Do your Ifrit from time to time, work on other ways to improve your weapons, and stop worrying about Sally down the street. Who cares what Sally got? Just worry about you. I get it, you have envy. I get it, you're frustrated because you have a goal and you can't get to it when you want to get to it. I get it, you want to have the best stuff possible. These are all natural feelings. But anyone with a modicum of reality also knows that you are not entitled to any of that, and getting any of that is really a bonus. So with that said, go do your thing and leave Ifrit alone for a bit.