Primal drop system, still no changes?!

[Peptaru]

Increasing drop rates =/= difficulty discussion.
I.e. If something is hard and they can't win they won't get items. If they win 100 times and have nothing.....
I'm all for hard content. I'm praying 2.0 will be the magical fix to every problem that many seem to think it will be. I know why rates are so bad, to keep some people playing, but I'm glad for the 10 -> 5 reduction.

[Brannigan]

Ifrit could be considered a challenge the first time. The 10th? Maybe. The 100th? Not so much. No one is asking to get "every drop on the first run," people are asking for it to not be a completely random grind to get the weapon they want. I don't even care about Ifrit since I have the weapons I want, but it's important to (keep) tell(ing) them that this system is retarded.

[Mireille]

Ifrit could be considered a challenge the first time. The 10th? Maybe. The 100th? Not so much. No one is asking to get "every drop on the first run," people are asking for it to not be a completely random grind to get the weapon they want. I don't even care about Ifrit since I have the weapons I want, but it's important to (keep) tell(ing) them that this system is retarded.

I don't like the drop rate, but this I do not agree with. This very system worked in dynamis for years even with a crappy drop rate, but we need a lot pass system in XIV that allows people to pass what they don't need to those who do. Its the lack of such a system that makes the drop rate so problematic. They should be able to fix it so items from chests go into the loot list, and not directly into inventory.

[Nox]

I don't like the drop rate, but this I do not agree with. This very system worked in dynamis for years even with a crappy drop rate, but we need a lot pass system in XIV that allows people to pass what they don't need to those who do. Its the lack of such a system that makes the drop rate so problematic. They should be able to fix it so items from chests go into the loot list, and not directly into inventory.

this is also extremely true, This alone will almost instantly fix this entire issue imo. It's what they should have done in the first place. Nothing makes people more angry than seeing someone who already has the lance get it again, and again, and again... while the players that don't have it don't get it. ~_~

[Babydoll]

Me..my bf and his bro got him an Ifrit's Axe on totems in an evening...its not that hard...

Lol well..can't wait to see requirements for a Legendary weapon...easy mode go.

[darkstarpoet1]

Me..my bf and his bro got him an Ifrit's Axe on totems in an evening...its not that hard...

Lol well..can't wait to see requirements for a Legendary weapon...easy mode go.

well this is part of the problem. some people may get very lucky and get the item they want, but others luck could be completely the opposite. the static i run with the bard in our group has yet to get the bow and the tank has yet to get the sword. there's been multiple times that we have dropped both of those. we've beaten ifrit over 450 times and still those 2 do not have those weapons for their main class.

the problem with the primal drop system is the fact that some people may get what they are after on the first day, but others may run that for months and still not get it and them see it thrown away countless times.

[Mychael]

the problem with the primal drop system is the fact that some people may get what they are after on the first day, but others may run that for months and still not get it and them see it thrown away countless times.

I started to post earlier but I didn't, but while I wait for my party to fill I'll see how much I can manage. :P Just as an example, there was this guy on Ridill that was really sweet/helpful and was very good at teaching people the Ifrit fight--i've seen him turn ~20+ people completely around, from dead weight that just eats raises to #2-3 DPSers in the fight. He did over 150 fights with a few duplicate weapons and barely any totems, and though he did have 10 totems he was trying to save them for the last weapon (since his luck was so awful anyway, I don't blame him). However, of those people he basically taught how to play, probably 5-10 are 7/7 now. I haven't seen him since just before 1.21, though, so no clue if he ever made it.

Too much luck, and not enough reward for dedication/experience/repetition...

[Vire]

well this is part of the problem. some people may get very lucky and get the item they want, but others luck could be completely the opposite. the static i run with the bard in our group has yet to get the bow and the tank has yet to get the sword. there's been multiple times that we have dropped both of those. we've beaten ifrit over 450 times and still those 2 do not have those weapons for their main class.

the problem with the primal drop system is the fact that some people may get what they are after on the first day, but others may run that for months and still not get it and them see it thrown away countless times.

Just save your breath logic and common sense has left this thread 10 pages ago.

I started to post earlier but I didn't, but while I wait for my party to fill I'll see how much I can manage. :P Just as an example, there was this guy on Ridill that was really sweet/helpful and was very good at teaching people the Ifrit fight--i've seen him turn ~20+ people completely around, from dead weight that just eats raises to #2-3 DPSers in the fight. He did over 150 fights with a few duplicate weapons and barely any totems, and though he did have 10 totems he was trying to save them for the last weapon (since his luck was so awful anyway, I don't blame him). However, of those people he basically taught how to play, probably 5-10 are 7/7 now. I haven't seen him since just before 1.21, though, so no clue if he ever made it.

Too much luck, and not enough reward for dedication/experience/repetition...

But don't you get it? ITS SO EASY TO GET 7/7 just run it 250 times duh. Easy mode. Make sure you stack black mages so no one has to move for the whole fight except for eruptions and the whm don't have to heal anyone but the war your gonna bring. And get ready to spend 3 and a half days doing ifrit real game time played!

[AnimaAnimus]

Come on seriously, they cant give us an upgrade in drop rates, if they do and we get our ifrit weapons, mog weapons, darklight gears and so on what do we have to do other than craft at this point? I used to stick by this game like none other but really the hours Im spending just crafting got to me and Im barely logging in anymore. If they increase the drop rate at all this will be way more widespread and though I will stay part of the game and play when there is playing to be done they would see less numbers creep up as we draw near a new update, even worse than we do now, and most likely alot more drop off from the bored-quitters than they see from the rage-quitters. So it makes sense they refuse to increase any drop rates

[Andrien]

the server should recognize what items we have in these situations, so we wont have to worry about getting the same RARE/EX things multiple times.