Primal drop system, still no changes?!

[Vire]

This is dumb because people will get burnt out and quit anyway. With the current drop system they'll leave with a bad impression of the game and are less likely to reactivate at the next patch.

Exactly people aren't running Ifrit anymore after they get the weapon they want. They are burnt out and very likely to quit. You need to give people a sense of accomplishment for doing things and getting players who already have the weapons incentive to keep on coming to help newer players. There have been many great suggestions in this thread how to achieve this.

I am sure that there are people who got the weapon they want an refuse to run Ifrit again but if you said look if you do it another 20 times you will get the remaining weapons you don't have and if a duplicate drops you can turn it in for 250 gc seals Ifrit runs would start going through the roof.

[Riv]

Incoming 50 tokens for a Garuda weapon.

[yialee]

There is nothing wrong with the drop system on prime fight atm, for god sake stop whining aready. The totem and nuts drop help enough aready and not only that alot ppl are aready 7/7 ifrit and moogle atm.
I totally agree with Pofo so he get a cookies.

[Pofo]

People run Ifrit all the time on my server, I don't know how it is on Aegis but on Hyperion in the last hour I've seen 3 individual groups come and fill up. As for incentive for people who already have the weapons to come back, that's probably not going to happen unless A. It's a Linkshell event, or B. You have friends nice enough to spam ifrit for you even when they are 7/7. You want to give people a sense of accomplishment and at the same time ask for easier drops? Where's the accomplishment in getting something that is an easy drop? I busted my ass to get the 6/7 weapons I have now, and within the last 40 runs or so I've seen quite a few duplicate weapons, but when that last weapon drops for me, I'll have a true sense of accomplishment. If you get burnt out easy then maybe MMOs are not for you, you should stick to 1 player games that you can set on easy mode and beat in a single day.

[Vire]

People run Ifrit all the time on my server, I don't know how it is on Aegis but on Hyperion in the last hour I've seen 3 individual groups come and fill up. As for incentive for people who already have the weapons to come back, that's probably not going to happen unless A. It's a Linkshell event, or B. You have friends nice enough to spam ifrit for you even when they are 7/7. You want to give people a sense of accomplishment and at the same time ask for easier drops? Where's the accomplishment in getting something that is an easy drop? I busted my ass to get the 6/7 weapons I have now, and within the last 40 runs or so I've seen quite a few duplicate weapons, but when that last weapon drops for me, I'll have a true sense of accomplishment. If you get burnt out easy then maybe MMOs are not for you, you should stick to 1 player games that you can set on easy mode and beat in a single day.

Nice personal attack there really made your point very nicely. Oh wait no you didn't.

[Jinko]

If you get burnt out easy then maybe MMOs are not for you, you should stick to 1 player games that you can set on easy mode and beat in a single day.

Yea, tell me at what point do you stop telling people to leave and play something else, considering their are about 10k players it won't be long before you are stood in Ul'dah on your own.

People always get burnt out from MMO's I did it in 11, I did it WoW and I have done it in this game. I still come back though, you may have worked your ass off to get 6/7 but other have worked much harder and got less.

And yet people constantly insist on making it easier, people these days are afraid of a challenge it seems. If you can't get every drop on the first run, surely it needs to be fixed.

Why can't you be realistic ?, nobody is asking for insta-drops on every F'ing mob.

It's really annoying when people like you come in here spouting nonsense, pretending to know what people are asking for when you have no frkkin clue.

I don't like the drop rate, but this I do not agree with. This very system worked in dynamis for years even with a crappy drop rate, but we need a lot pass system in XIV that allows people to pass what they don't need to those who do. Its the lack of such a system that makes the drop rate so problematic. They should be able to fix it so items from chests go into the loot list, and not directly into inventory.

Not really in Dynamis many people walked away with armour they didn't have jobs levelled to use it with mainly down to LS favouritism, /random and DKP.

A system that awards you for your fight a little at a time is the right choice, this way everyone is on equal footing, everyone has to work the same and everyone gets the same chance of the weapon they want.

in games like WoW (i played it for 2 to 3 years) right after a patch is released you only needed to wait 2 weeks to have everything,

Anyone going for the highest tier (hardmode) class specific armour in WoW can not get it in 2 weeks, it takes months to farm the tokens and the artifact item to exchange for it.

If i wanted a game that i can finish in one week or weekend i wouldnt be playing an MMORPG i would be playing an offline RPG

I don't understand this moronic over exaggeration, if you're going to make a point at least try to bring facts to the discussion. (No MMO is anywhere near completable in a weekend)

So how many fights then should one have to do to get the ONE weapon they want? Not 7/7 just one.

I've already said 100% token, so 10 fight for 1 Ifrit weapon, 20 for Moogle.

Thats 70 for 7/7 on Ifrit and 140 for 7/7 on moogle.

When garuda comes out reduce moogle to 10 and garuda can be the new time-sink content at 20.

There are 2 sides to this crappy drop rate. (One person in my ls got the weapon he wanted on first win) But, since I can't solo Ifrit or Moogle, the reward shouldn't be a 'solo' reward. The group should decide who gets it, not the game. This is why I think the todem system needs to go. We're adults, we can handle sorting out who deserves what.

Yup that's like saying I work in real life with other people but they should decide how much I get paid each week, don't be absurd.

[Yumi_Hibiki]

i can only talk for myself but i did him maybe 50 times or so and i am at 5/7 on the weapons and have 8 totems, so 2 more and i can get the last 2 weapons in 1.22

i personally don't think its too bad but i might just be super lucky...
maybe its my gipsy magic again

[Peptaru]

Some people only know how to say "go play a single player game" which immediately makes me ignore anything else they say. This one was more fun to read cuz they mentioned easy mode.... FFXIV is equivalent to a game on easy mode already. lol

[Pofo]

Some people only know how to say "go play a single player game" which immediately makes me ignore anything else they say. This one was more fun to read cuz they mentioned easy mode.... FFXIV is equivalent to a game on easy mode already. lol

And yet people constantly insist on making it easier, people these days are afraid of a challenge it seems. If you can't get every drop on the first run, surely it needs to be fixed.