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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcell View Post
    Just because it artificially extends the life of the content doesn't mean it's a good system though. If that is the true intention then they're simply trying to stretch short content with awful drop rates. Not a good way to go about it IMO.

    At the very least, if they do nothing else, they should tweak the system so that if a player gets a drop that they already have, it is put into their loot list instead so that they may pass it to another player.
    I never said it was good, it's not like I am enjoying it don't get me wrong... But we all know the drill. No proper content until 2.0 (could it be quantity or quality), so in the meantime everything is done on the dev side to keep player's busy with little. Meaning try and recycle things, make sure players do not advance too quickly etc.

    There are tons of way which don't require any effort from dev to make the system better and again nothing is done, why? This issue has been raised several times, across all regions. So either devs want you to play the game this way either... they want you to play the game this way. I don't see any other possibility here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antipika View Post
    I never said it was good, it's not like I am enjoying it don't get me wrong... But we all know the drill. No proper content until 2.0 (could it be quantity or quality), so in the meantime everything is done on the dev side to keep player's busy with little. Meaning try and recycle things, make sure players do not advance too quickly etc.

    There are tons of way which don't require any effort from dev to make the system better and again nothing is done, why? This issue has been raised several times, across all regions. So either devs want you to play the game this way either... they want you to play the game this way. I don't see any other possibility here.
    I think you're exactly right with your assessment -- they are well aware that many people are frustrated with the system, but they will not change it because it is the only thing keeping a lot of people busy.

    It is a very annoying system for the players, but it is what we have and SE is obviously reluctant to change it right now.

    The time SE thought they would have after launch to continually add new content was completely diverted to fixing things and now concurrently rebuilding the game from the ground up.

    So they are stuck with the difficult resource balancing act of trying to add new content to the current system and giving players something to do, while at the same time trying to salvage the game and make something better for the future.

    This drop system is probably partly a result of their current situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antipika View Post
    As if DEVs weren't aware of this issue, including Yoshida himself. Stop taking them for idiots :/ They played other MMORPGs, they know how it works and that the current system is crap..
    They may not be idiots... but they sure are slow. Drop rate % is one of the most easiest changes that can be made... especially when the issue is isolated to 1-2 specific instances. It's not like we're asking for every single mob of every single zone to have their drop rates changed.
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    I know how it feels ... 2/150 on Ifrit here, and they are the BLM and WHM weapons, which are pretty much useless.

    And since Ifrit weapons are clearly the best DPS DoW weapons, it is quite annoying to know you'll always be a few DPS behind other serious players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinook View Post
    I know how it feels ... 2/150 on Ifrit here, and they are the BLM and WHM weapons, which are pretty much useless.

    And since Ifrit weapons are clearly the best DPS DoW weapons, it is quite annoying to know you'll always be a few DPS behind other serious players.
    Hi Chinook,

    Wow! So even with Blue Garter helping you, you're still only 2/150 on Ifrit? /comfort

    That reminds me of one of my good JP friends who went on an 0/70 streak. I'm currently on an ~0/50 streak (I gave up counting) for the Harpoon.

    The bottom line is that this is a blatant Time Sink by Yoshida-san and the devs. The Dzemael Darkhold System (where Unique / Untradeable Loot dropping into your Loot Pool (to pass to others)) worked and wasn't broken, heck even the NEW Cutter's Cry and Aurum Vale Chest Items can drop into your Loot Pool to pass to others.

    It's clear the Primal Drops were put in place to stall and buy time between patches.

    It's just unfortunate they chose such a tiresome, annoying, outdated way to stall for time.

    I love the Primal Fights (well-designed), but their Drop System is horrible.
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    Last edited by Kiara; 03-21-2012 at 01:22 AM.

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    I agree still no ifrit claws after 120 wins 5 THM weps and 1 bow and a cane and 3 totems
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    We really need updstes in the storyy
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    Content is finite. 8 things to do that you can clear in 3 days means 24 days of playing. 8 things to do that takes a month each means 8 months of playing. Content is not limitless. There is a cap on how much content there can be and how in depth it can be. If there's no reason to keep doing it, you will finish, and MMO's aren't meant to be finished.
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    i think is is both stupid and good...in a way.

    The downside now is i stopped doing ifrit runs cuz i still havent gotten shit from Ifrit.
    No totems, no weapons...just crap. (using my main account ofc)

    I think SE really REALLY need to come up with something more appealing...
    like maybe increase droprate of the freakin totems atleast.
    idc if its 1-5% just let me get something "worthwhile" after 10 fights or more.

    It's no wonder people arent appealed to do the fight, it becomes a drag too quick.
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    Made up a quick poll on the topic. Take it here.
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