Petition: Revert AST card changes

[Hash_Browns]

Maybe you and i have a different definition for fishing. Tossing the away without giving the buff is what I consider fishing. But if you just want to pull a guarantee DPS buff all the time, they you might as well delete cards, divination, and AST all together.

Redraw = Fishing

Redraw (with old ast) actually made the cards worth it.
Spear, Arrow, and Balance were the only worthwhile cards, and Ewer, Spire, and Bole were pretty useless other then having a few little fun tricks in the DF.

Ewer was only really needed on healers who had to constant res/overhealed/had to deal with DPS standing in bad.
Spire was just useles in general.
Bole was only good for tanks who didn't mitigate.

That was the issue. High level content didn't need those cards, that's why ASTs would fish for others.

If you wanna roll for 3 perfect seals, and not heal, yes it is lol.

What? I can heal and draw cards at the same time as long as the tank isn't someone who is pulling wall-to-wall without cooldowns.

You have 2 minutes to get the correct 3 seals, 3 re-draws with more coming every 30 seconds, Sleevedraw granting you 3 cards, and Minor Arcana making it so you don't draw the wrong seals.

It should never be an issue.

[Dyvid]

Redraw = Fishing

Redraw (with old ast) actually made the cards worth it.

Well then, I'll repost

"To fix fishing, you make the AST just play the card that comes up by removing or adding longer cooldowns on things like redraw and undraw. Just play the cards no matter what comes up. You could change sleeve draw to pull the card you want every 180s and even add an ability that would either double or half the value of the card. Even if you pull a MND or Tenacity card, that job is still going to contribute to the raid, plus it has the added benefits of increase healing and defense. "

[Hash_Browns]

Well then, I'll repost

"To fix fishing, you make the AST just play the card that comes up by removing or adding longer cooldowns on things like redraw and undraw. Just play the cards no matter what comes up. You could change sleeve draw to pull the card you want every 180s and even add an ability that would either double or half the value of the card. Even if you pull a MND or Tenacity card, that job is still going to contribute to the raid, plus it has the added benefits of increase healing and defense. "

This is the same problem as the other poster. You completely gut AST to remove fishing. AST is already in a state currently where it's barely worth bringing, but you are suggesting:

1. Nerfing the card system
2. Removing the ability to try and change useless cards

So you basically are removing the one thing holding AST together, and in an attempt to making it have to deal with RNG, making it the worst class. At this point, you might as well just suggest deleting AST.

[Dyvid]

This is the same problem as the other poster. You completely gut AST to remove fishing. AST is already in a state currently where it's barely worth bringing, but you are suggesting:

1. Nerfing the card system
2. Removing the ability to try and change useless cards

So you basically are removing the one thing holding AST together, and in an attempt to making it have to deal with RNG, making it the worst class. At this point, you might as well just suggest deleting AST.

The entire reason the Dev changed the card system to a coin flip was because the community complained about fishing for The Balance. People want most if not all cards to be useful.

[Hash_Browns]

The entire reason the Dev changed the card system to a coin flip was because the community complained about fishing for The Balance. People want most if not all cards to be useful.

You are correct - fishing was pretty much a requirement for high level content.
Giving AST the same cards, but disabling all forms of being able to swap those cards would just make AST horribly weak.

Fishing sucked, but was required because of how weak the cards were besides Balance/Spear/Arrow. Even then, sometimes it was almost worth it to try and Arrow.

What you are suggesting isn't bad because it takes away fishing, it's bad because it takes away fishing + gives AST the worse card system. It's the worst of both worlds.

[Dyvid]

You are correct - fishing was pretty much a requirement for high level content.
Giving AST the same cards, but disabling all forms of being able to swap those cards would just make AST horribly weak.

Fishing sucked, but was required because of how weak the cards were besides Balance/Spear/Arrow. Even then, sometimes it was almost worth it to try and Arrow.

What you are suggesting isn't bad because it takes away fishing, it's bad because it takes away fishing + gives AST the worse card system. It's the worst of both worlds.

What was my suggest? Honestly it sounds like you want to just remove RNG from it all together? You take away RNG then you can't have strong buffs, it's that simple. More RNG means stronger buffs. It's called a trade off.

I didn't see this response. Could delete Balance, and then make the other cards like Spire
ATK down / DEF down or something or another.
Better than being a balance bot but meh. People are
too into "But muh Savage raids" to see how boring this job became.
And from that one guys post in page 1, if you don't do raid, you don't have a say in this lmao.

The Balance was fixed when they called it Divination.

[Hash_Browns]

What was my suggest? Honestly it sounds like you want to just remove RNG from it all together? You take away RNG then you can't have strong buffs, it's that simple. More RNG means stronger buffs. It's called a trade off.

Fishing still had RNG, just more chances. I'm happy with the current card system. No RNG, no bull, just buffs, and they are all equal with minor differences that dont directly effect the buff

Could delete Balance,

The Balance card wasn't the issue, the issue was how strong it was compared to other cards.
Deleting balance = Spear fishing
Deleting Spear = Arrow fishing

[Mikhaill]

The entire reason the Dev changed the card system to a coin flip was because the community complained about fishing for The Balance. People want most if not all cards to be useful.

I didn't see this response. Could delete Balance, and then make the other cards like Spire
ATK down / DEF down or something or another.
Better than being a balance bot but meh. People are
too into "But muh Savage raids" to see how boring this job became.
And from that one guys post in page 1, if you don't do raid, you don't have a say in this lmao.

I never said you weren't allowed to offer an opinion.

You're allowed to voice opinions, you are not however in the right to request a complete class re work just because you don't like it.

You are still a casual player, you don't main it, therefore you aren't effected by it as heavily as us. You don't need to play it and you feel no pain if you don't

For those of us who DO main them, our opinions and voices are louder than yours as a casual.

Very silly post I may add. Too much entitlement like yikes.

Redraw = Fishing

What? I can heal and draw cards at the same time as long as the tank isn't someone who is pulling wall-to-wall without cooldowns.

You have 2 minutes to get the correct 3 seals, 3 re-draws with more coming every 30 seconds, Sleevedraw granting you 3 cards, and Minor Arcana making it so you don't draw the wrong seals.

It should never be an issue.

Of course it's easier in normal content, now if you can do this in a trial with 8 people
1. All cards to correct job.
2. All 3 seals done correctly.
3. Heal.
They I'ma commend you for it, as I have rarely seen any AST juggle all that crap at once...
Let alone try and throw a lot of cards in the middle of chaos.

[Crushnight]

Balance, Arrow, Spear were all straight dps gains, bole was an indirect one as it allowed less healing needed thus slight gain on healer dps, Ewer was for mp or RR, Spire was nigh useless in SB.

Fishing for old ast was like this 1/3 chance for Ewer/Spire for RR then 1/2 chance or 1/6 for pure optimal(good ast really would care about the 1/2 rather than the 1/6)
so odds on happening = 1/3 x 1/2(1/6) = 0.167(0.056)
Now add in redraw = 2/5 x 1/2(1/6) = 0.2(0.067)
1/3 x 3/5(1/5) = 0.2(0.067)
2/5 x 3/5(1/5) = 0.24(0.08)

Fishing for new ast is garenteed 1 seal, then 2/3 chance for next useful seal then 1/3 chance for last seal.
So odds on happening = 2/3 x 1/3 = 0.222
Now add in redraw = 4/5 x 1/3 = 0.267
2/3 x 2/5 = 0.267
4/5 x 2/5 = 0.32

They made the system more reliable by a good chunk but at best your still working with a 32% chance you will get Divination with 3 seals by the 3rd draw with a redraw on the second and third draw, so 68% of the time you will be fishing for that last seal and unlike the old system while having a lower probability to achieve an aoe Balance/Spear/Arrow, this new system seems far less impactful when you get that luck, something SE should look into sorting out.