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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKupo View Post
    I completely disagree with level sync. I mean the intention is good, allow friends to finally play together, but it will ruin some of the intentions of the game. What I mean can be made clear by telling you about my return to FFXI after a few years to find the newly implemented level sync. What ended up happening was I leveled to cap and only experienced about 20% of the game. I never had to go to Kazham, I never had to go the Altepa Desert, and I never went anywhere.

    I'm not saying that everyone will end up taking this shortcut... but we are human, and the urge to finish the game as quickly as possible will drive us to level sync our way to the top, ignoring the true intention of adventure that was meant to be in the game.

    it's like the movie "click"
    Yes, but just because you chose that route does not mean other players were forced to do the same. I loved using level sync but I only stayed in Qufim for a limited time. I LIKED going to the higher areas and fighting tougher mobs. It was just more fun for me and my friends because we liked the difficulty that new areas provided. Also, it would get extremely repetitive if we just stayed in the same area from 20-75. That wouldn't be fun at all. Hence why I didn't go back for Abyssea seeing the shortcut being used there. Not to mention the fact that Level Sync helped a ton whenever there weren't enough camps to go around.

    Now, I think the main problem right now is that lower level players receive a substantial amount of SP, that of which is much higher than anyone 24+. They would need to re-balance the SP rates in order to prevent abuse of the system. Otherwise, people would be getting to 50 in no time.

    There are obviously things they would need to look into in order to prevent abuse, but if they can figure it out it would be a great addition to the game. I feel so bad when newer players in our LS ask me to join their leve/xp party and I can't because I don't have anything under 20~ anymore.
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    SacredDawnFC.enjin.com
    Insulting people in the counter argument isn't going to change their minds. It will make them stick harder to their opinion regardless of whether or not it's right, and think less of your opinion simply because you insulted them. In essence, if you want to try and change someone's mind, come up with a well thought-out response and don't be a dick.

  2. #152
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    I can see both sides of it... what about a happy compromise...
    Only classes above a certain level can level sync (Even something like R50 only). Instead of receiving EXP or SP you get some type of Merit-like points
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  3. #153
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    I can see both sides of it... what about a happy compromise...
    Only classes above a certain level can level sync (Even something like R50 only). Instead of receiving EXP or SP you get some type of Merit-like points
    That wpould be horrible, there is nothing wrong with level sync in XIV. Everyone is looking at it as if this is final fantasy xi again. Its a different game. Non of the cons will carry over to XIV.

    Also. If a player wants to lvl at a low level area to 50 let him do that, its no ones business what he does..
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  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by SniperRifle View Post
    Level Sync was when FFXI became terrible. People would lvl 20-75 in Qufim or SMN burn 10-75. And that's all they would do.

    No one would group anywhere else. I came back to 11 to level up Bard to 75, bought top of the line gear, loved ranking 1-20, then gave up around Lvl30 when I realized from like 18-30 was the exact same thing I mana burned my alts BLM 20-75 on (Crabs in Qufim). Much like the Doblyns in 14... when the sp in the game is unbalanced, you can be garaunteed people will exploit it, regardless of whether it's not fun or not, because gaining SP the fastest most mind numbing way possible > a creative slower route.

    EDIT: This is just my take on the subject anyways.
    So you would have rather have solo'd your entire way to 75? Because without level sync no way would you have been able to decently find a group of people all around the same level unless you had hours upon hours to sit lfg constantly searching and hoping that you could catch someone your level range that just logged on.

    Also FFXI was never about 1-75 it was just pushing your way through the grind to get to 75 so that you could then participate in all the end game content. Also if you were going 20-75 in Qufim you were doing it wrong. Level sync parties still moved camps because as you got higher level you got access to better skills and camps for exping.

    It was a great tool that brought in many more players then there would have been if it wasn't there. Honestly the game would have gone on sure because there were many many people all at cap that did not want to abandon all of their hours of hard work to get were they are but the game simply would have been stagnant, no influx of new players.

    TL;DR Level sync was great but this game doesn't need it yet, maybe in a few level cap increases, maybe.
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  5. #155
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    level sync is what made FFXI go to crap, and it will kill this game fast since you exp alot faster than ffxi.
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    Even now people in 40s are rarer than 50s or 30s, so it would be easier to sync to those people.
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    Level sync was a great idea in FFXI but as the game was not made with it in mind from the start it did cause some problems. If SE add it now to FFXIV then they can ensure that the game is built with it in mind to make sure those issues don't happen.
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  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by indira View Post
    level sync is what made FFXI go to crap, and it will kill this game fast since you exp alot faster than ffxi.
    Well, yes, EXP rates would need to be rebalanced so that lower level players aren't receiving higher amounts of XP per kill than the higher levels. I actually just recently made a post about how they need to fix this. In no other game do you make more EXP at level 1 than you do near level cap. It's nonsense.

    However, not trying to be rude, but your opinion on Level Sync making FFXI "go to crap", is just that: an opinion. It was a godsend for me and my friends because it gave us the chance to play an MMO together without worrying about "WTF dude you leveled without us!" instances. Seeing as there are no "skill ups" in this game, I don't see how it can "ruin" your game-play experience other than the broken EXP system we currently have.
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    SacredDawnFC.enjin.com
    Insulting people in the counter argument isn't going to change their minds. It will make them stick harder to their opinion regardless of whether or not it's right, and think less of your opinion simply because you insulted them. In essence, if you want to try and change someone's mind, come up with a well thought-out response and don't be a dick.

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    Aha a solution, can't use level sync unless you have one job at 50! :O Genius...
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    Quote Originally Posted by vax View Post
    I see level sync on FFXIV after 5 or more years, not now. Also level sync on xi made terrible players
    Incorrect, level-sync did not make terrible players. They were bad before and after it was added. Level-sync just made them stand out more and helped them level.

    Seeing as a player could go 1-50 in the same map right now, level-sync won't change much. Right now in my LS there are 2 45+ members, 5 25-35 and like 15 + 1-24s who end up soloing because we don't have anything their level. Most of them will quit because of lack of grouping.

    I will go as far as saying level-sync is a MUST for XIV's survival in the long run. I got friends coming to try the game. Why should their first experience on FFXIV be a lonely and dull one?

    Answer is simple, they shouldn't have to suffer the monotony of solo grinding when there are people online and willing but lack the mean to sync down.
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    Last edited by Keith_Dragoon; 08-01-2011 at 07:44 PM.


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