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    Gerronuma's Avatar
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    Syngiswerd Wyssmyna
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    Sage Lv 100

    SMN Quests are really difficult after changes

    So I've leveled quite a few classes and have done quite a few battles for job quests recently, and I have to say that the Summoner job quests are by far the most difficult job quests I have ever encountered.
    Ever since they retooled pets to where they couldn't tank, much less even be detected by enemies, a lot of the SMN job quests have become incredibly hard to solo. Take, for example, A Book with Bite. That quest asks you to defeat an enemy that does at least 3000 damage per hit, as well as giving you poison with extremely high potency. You can tell that with this level of damage that this quest needs a tank to distract the enemy while you do the dps. However, since Titan-Egi is no longer considered a tank, you're the one taking the brunt of the damage.
    This makes the quest incredibly difficult, as even the shield you can give yourself is destroyed in one hit. There's also another quest, A Minor Negotiation, in which the enemies are very difficult to kill as well, doing high amounts of damage. While it's doable, it is incredibly hard as well, especially when you hit the search location with three enemies waiting. It is at that point I was reduced to casting pet abilities while spamming Physick. It's just really difficult and frustrating, and this is the only time I've run into issues with job quests.
    Am I the only one who is running into problems like this and I should "git gud", or is this an actual problem that others have run into? Please let me know, and also give me some tips, if you have any, that I can use to defeat this enemy, because I'm going to have to put leveling my SMN on hold until I can actually defeat this quest.
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    Lorrie Laborn
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    Goblin
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    Dancer Lv 68
    No you’re most definitely not the only one. Joined just pre-ShB and I was leveling SCH and SMN. After ShB hit I could do the 60-70 SCH job quests just fine at the level they show up. SMN? Got annihilated and wondered what the hell was I supposed to do. Kept bashing my head against it, using foods, potions, and healer stance Chocobos and just barely beat the first book enemy. Next job quest, got absolutely destroyed by the other summoners Egis. At which point I just quit and leveled SCH/SMN to 70 and got overleveled gear so I could just power through it.
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    Marc Vigar
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    The change was for better, old Titan-egi couldn't even keep aggro on enemies so it was useless at high level. Now you have an oGCD shield every 30 seconds with 2 base charges, unless you are overlapping and wasting the shields you should be fine in any solo content.
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    Raveen Raines
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar View Post
    The change was for better, old Titan-egi couldn't even keep aggro on enemies so it was useless at high level. Now you have an oGCD shield every 30 seconds with 2 base charges, unless you are overlapping and wasting the shields you should be fine in any solo content.
    The change was for the better at max level. The doesn’t change the fact that all of the pre 80 content was designed with us having a pet that can tank.
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    Marc Vigar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sequora View Post
    The change was for the better at max level. The doesn’t change the fact that all of the pre 80 content was designed with us having a pet that can tank.
    It seems you missed my previous response.
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    Shinkage's Avatar
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    Tyrannis Rex
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    Zalera
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    Conjurer Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by Marc-Vigar View Post
    The change was for better, old Titan-egi couldn't even keep aggro on enemies so it was useless at high level. Now you have an oGCD shield every 30 seconds with 2 base charges, unless you are overlapping and wasting the shields you should be fine in any solo content.
    Titan was fine at holding aggro if you managed your DPS like you should for any tank.
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    Ku Rando
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinkage View Post
    Titan was fine at holding aggro if you managed your DPS like you should for any tank.
    Ruin I/II spam maybe but not if you were going through your rotations optimally it wouldn't at high levels. Sure you could pop Diversion, but after it drops you would be back to taking aggro from Titan. That pet could not be compared to an actual player tank who had access to multiple actions to use/weave and keep aggro.
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    Landen Alberias
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    Zalera
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    Arcanist Lv 70

    Did those of you who say they had no problem with changes in 5.0

    To continue from the title. For those quests and such that some of us are having problems with. Did you stand still, stay at your spot while "sucessfully" completing the mention quests? Or did you move around alot to avoid getting too much damage when multiple mobs were involved? I wonder what the overall success rate is for players now with the changes made to summoner?
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    Ayukawa Madoka
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Andoriel View Post
    To continue from the title. For those quests and such that some of us are having problems with. Did you stand still, stay at your spot while "sucessfully" completing the mention quests? Or did you move around alot to avoid getting too much damage when multiple mobs were involved? I wonder what the overall success rate is for players now with the changes made to summoner?
    It's important to note that the pre-72 kit SMN had before 5.0 was much stronger than what they have now. SMN is overall weaker than they were at 4.5 and FBT added a ton of burst, so they took away damage in various other places. Like pets being far weaker, bio and miasma losing 20 potency each, losing an entire dot at some point (not sure which patch), DWT giving a 10% damage boost, etc.

    So that's just another point of balance that's out of whack for SMN class quests. Saying you did them "before 5.0" is quite literally irrelevant to this thread anyway since its the 5.0 changes that made them awful.
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