Why housing is bad, and how to fix it

[Arazehl]

Maybe they should concentrate more getting rid of the bots. Now that would be a more novel idea.

[Daniolaut]

I disagree with your comments about treating housing as a priority over fixing the post-ARR questline So basically, I've just detailed what gets said on every thread of this kind and said give us instanced housing.

. I dont know why they arent creating instanced gardens for apartments. This would address some of the concern yes. Yoshida said himself Free Company housing wouldnt share the same areas as personal housing. Him failing to deliver, dug this hole, and its only getting worse. (With the influx of new players from Shadowbringers. Literally not a single world on NA data centers is preferred, and nearly half are congested. Over 1 month later.)

The point Nanami made is not to stop talking about the issue, it is stop creating a new thread every other day. By doing so you're actually hurting this cause,

No, that by itself is fine.

What is not fine, and what you should not do, is start yet another thread complaining about the house buying system.
There are already a gazillion of those threads, and you should have picked some existing thread to post your advice in.

Actually. I just poured over the last 2- 3 months worth of threads...
over 20 threads worth..

only 2 have gotten proper attention. One being the player being rather aggressive to Square-Enix, the other a petition to add more wards.

Square-Enix already stated they would not add more wards. This also doesnt fix the issue of all these new players "fixing A Realm Reborn story" is going to magically bring in, as they will fill extremely quickly, as the players already playing are complaining of not having land.

So the problem, in fact, is not how many threads there are, but the players derailing threads, as being done here, or the players not listening to Square-Enix and asking for things specifically they said they cannot offer.
Here, I will link each thread on the specific topic of players expressing disappointment with the availability to housing or similar issues:
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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-plot-utility
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...it-any-better.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-buy-a-house
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-situation.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-buy-housing
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...21%21%21%21%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ousing-lottery
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-not-fixed-yet
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ame-on-your-SE
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...acard-spamming
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...SING-SYSTEM%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-little-better
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Housing%21%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ndom-anyways..
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...on-and-Housing
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ng-for-absence
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...housing-thread
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tanced-housing
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...uses-is-broken
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sing-Census%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...INFURIATING%21
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-needs-to-GTFO
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Y-ruin-housing
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-we-buy-houses

Why people always believed the reason they lost is because other people use the bot?

Who said the reason someone lost their plot was to a bot? If anyone has, it shouldnt happen, as there should be no systems in place that encourages botting.

because they didn't get it and they're salty and full of raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggeeeeeeeeeeeeee SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I already own a house.

To further my point. as of this post, this comment has the most likes.
This is the mindset the playerbase encourages.

Fix? Address? Improve? No.
Make simple, make easier, make popular, make Fortnite dances? Yes.

If sounds like you don't know much about housing. There's way more to Housing then the placards. It's hard to take this review of housing seriously if most of what you talk about is a tiny placard.

. I was very clear, that a large reason why housing is in a sorry state is, lack of separation of FC and personal housing, alternate characters automatically sharing housing, and the other issues my original post covered.

Its very clear, from Square-Enix stand point, they have no interest in adding siginficantly more wards, if any-more, nor will they change it to all instance housing. I purposefully tried to avoid touching on things that will hold no bearing. So, simply put. You are wrong, and dont understand housing yourself.

If you say I don't understand the housing system, then prove it. Why is the housing system bad?

If you think, for any reason, being unable to log in and visit your house every 45 days, then not visiting the housing caretaker within 35 days after, resulting in losing your house, your gil. and every single item inside, is ok. Then no one saying anything will ever "prove it."

[Edax]

. I was very clear, that a large reason why housing is in a sorry state is, lack of separation of FC and personal housing, alternate characters automatically sharing housing, and the other issues my original post covered.

Its very clear, from Square-Enix stand point, they have no interest in adding siginficantly more wards, if any-more, nor will they change it to all instance housing. I purposefully tried to avoid touching on things that will hold no bearing. So, simply put. You are wrong, and dont understand housing yourself.

You are reviewing the entire housing system based on ownership. There's far far far more to housing then just clicking on a tiny placard. I don't have to deal with a placard so everything that you complain about housing doesn't even apply to my experience. I bought a house the legitimately and nothing in your review on why housing is bad has ever been a part of my experience, and I've put hundreds of hours into this housing system.

-Current "Placard spam" encourages bot programming.
-Cannot share housing with alternate characters.
-It is not "fair" by putting a random timer forcing people to spam the placard. Nor is this fun.
-No rewards for putting in more effort to obtain a house.
-No separation of Free Company and personal housing.

All that doesn't negatively or positively affect me in any way.

If you say I don't understand the housing system, then prove it. Why is the housing system bad?

[Nanami_Naniwa]

Excuse me? Not again?

I shouldnt offer advice to how to fix the housing situation?

Square-Enix shouldnt acknowledge the grave mistake they have made, and address the issue?

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Ok, just because there are countless threads, you should go to all of them and tell them to stop?
There wouldnt be so many, if Square-Enix addressed the issue, instead of turning their attention to less important "problems."

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**********Most importantly, my thread includes Alternate character housing sharing, which is, again, a huge issue in the game. The people who have entire districts, are people with alts. Again, if alt automatic sharing was added at the start, which it should have been, half the problems wouldnt be nearly as severe.

It is proven from previous topics that SE looks into threads with huge participation instead of several small threads. There has been a huge support thread for Viera for years, for Bluemage, etc. And they got heard. Not because people were spamming the threads but because there was one thread constantly added with suggestions and adjustments. Instead of making yet another thread with yet another suggestion you could have made a difference.

Wanna know how?

Look through the hundreds of threads. Collect all the ideas, all the suggestions that have been made, create your "new" thread and add all what was said before. Add links to the existing threads to show how many people have already taken interest in this topic. THIS could make a difference.

Right now you are just another guy who made just another thread about housing which will just not get passed page 5 (if at all) and gets burried in a week. While in the meantime two more threads regarding the same issue - yet again with perfect solution to a long existing problem - will appear.

You want to make a difference? You want to be heard? Then tackle the problem with the efford that is needed.

[Stupaxd]

The system for getting a House is just disgusting, I want to go to bed and not guard this site to get a house. Why do homeless people suffer, and people can move to any site without waiting in line. Need to something to do with this I not want to change server because that not can take place.

[Divinemights]

No system is perfect, this one is created after based on the player demands. It is not just the people that want a house but also people want to move to a better location. This system at least gives people who start at shadowbringer a chance to get the house like everyone else. If you want a house that bad, move to the server that has open plot. Do not use “I want play with friends”. There is cross server ls and you also can visit other server. Just do it if you want a house that bad

[Canadane]

Then most importantly....
3. The people losing the plot, have their gil **refunded** plus a bonus amount of gil.

Houses are designed to be gil sinks, not generators.
SE wouldn't ever give people bonus gil for failing an objective.

[Mightion]

I'm living proof you can still get a house with the current spam-the-placard method. Sometimes I'll look for another plot that's open and being camped just to tell people not to give up; it is possible for anyone to win the "House Wars: Savage".

I'm even more glad I don't have to do it again - I also think some kind of lottery system would be better, but I (obviously) disagree with removing personal housing and/or moving to instanced housing. I decorated the exterior of my house with twenty items, and I want people to see them!

[TheForce]

Maybe they should concentrate more getting rid of the bots. Now that would be a more novel idea.

Now we're talking.

[shaiel]

The problem with your proposed solutions is that they don't solve the problem of not having enough housing for everybody. You also didn't remove the RNG. It also introduces a mechanic where you say people get gil paid to them for trying to get housing lol. That's a horrible idea that incentivizes more competition in empty housing for easy money. I know rmt
and botters were already a problem before related to house flipping as well. More botters will be doing housing lottery for gil then. Housing is one of the few gil sinks in this game and you'd make it the opposite. The only solution other than adding more requirements / higher prices to purchase housing, or adding enough wards, is instanced housing.