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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Wait wait wait wait......Cure 1 and 2 arn't being used? What the heck are people doing as a Whm then? NOT healing till a Lily pops, and just using Insta casts and waiting for the CDs? Thats madness! Or are they just casting Medica and Medica 2 or Cure 3? all of which eats up way more MP if they are being used exclusively.
    This makes no sense to me unless your only doing ARR content. That or people are just making the choice NOT to use Cure 1 & 2. Which even then makes no sense. I dont understand the healer community if this is a widespread issue.
    The Lily system was FINE. They just Improved it for the next expansion. What you expect things to stay the same through a whole game? No, things change and get adjusted.

    More and More Im just starting to think Im to casual to understand half the issues people present to me. Because Ive have Zero issues as a White Mage Main, but people wanna tell me my Lily kit was broken and bad. At the start yes, but it got fixed and I had nothing but fun. And here comes other people telling me it was bad. IDK....Im not seeing it or getting it.
    It boils down to priority healing. If you can keep people alive without using GCD heals then it’s better to do so because that means you can spend those GCDs doing DPS.

    When you need to use a GCD to heal you’ll try to get as much bang for your buck as possible, usually this means regen for single target.

    This means that you’ll always use your ogcd cooldowns first, benediction, assize, tetra, benison, asylum, PI if you had stacks. (Almost all of which consumed lilies of you had any)
    You always use holy and e4e to mitigate damage in dungeons.
    If you know that won’t be enough you’ll need a gcd or have to heal extra you’ll largesse regen.
    When all of that fails then you have to ask yourself if you’ll need to heal the entire party with medica I/II, cure III and can hit your single target with that in the process.

    Once you’re out of everything, or what you have off cooldown won’t be enough you’ll use cure II. Unless you’re having mana management issues you’ll never use cure I.

    So basically your level 70 whm skill required your last resort heal to even have a percentage of chance to proc a lily (later changed to 100%). And what you could do with it was shorten cooldowns in an uncontrolled way. It was hard to even get more than one lily and even if you did it served little purpose. Even moreso in raiding context where all your heals are planned and timed.
    Many a healer removed it to free up space in their interface, i always kept it but wouldn’t be capable of telling you when or if I had any after they moved benison off the lily system.

    The above hasn’t changed in 5.0. Some skills have changed or been added/removed but it’s the same principle. Except the lily system is now good and takes priority over other heals for the most part thanks to misery. So yeah now you should be burning your lilies and cooldowns.

    It’s not just a whm thing, it’s for all healers. Sch avoid shielding with succor or Adlo unless absolutely necessary for the same reasons. Astros just play whm instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    It boils down to priority healing. If you can keep people alive without using GCD heals then it’s better to do so because that means you can spend those GCDs doing DPS.

    When you need to use a GCD to heal you’ll try to get as much bang for your buck as possible, usually this means regen for single target.

    This means that you’ll always use your ogcd cooldowns first, benediction, assize, tetra, benison, asylum, PI if you had stacks. (Almost all of which consumed lilies of you had any)
    You always use holy and e4e to mitigate damage in dungeons.
    If you know that won’t be enough you’ll need a gcd or have to heal extra you’ll largesse regen.
    When all of that fails then you have to ask yourself if you’ll need to heal the entire party with medica I/II, cure III and can hit your single target with that in the process.

    Once you’re out of everything, or what you have off cooldown won’t be enough you’ll use cure II. Unless you’re having mana management issues you’ll never use cure I.

    So basically your level 70 whm skill required your last resort heal to even have a percentage of chance to proc a lily (later changed to 100%). And what you could do with it was shorten cooldowns in an uncontrolled way. It was hard to even get more than one lily and even if you did it served little purpose. Even moreso in raiding context where all your heals are planned and timed.
    Many a healer removed it to free up space in their interface, i always kept it but wouldn’t be capable of telling you when or if I had any after they moved benison off the lily system.

    The above hasn’t changed in 5.0. Some skills have changed or been added/removed but it’s the same principle. Except the lily system is now good and takes priority over other heals for the most part thanks to misery. So yeah now you should be burning your lilies and cooldowns.

    It’s not just a whm thing, it’s for all healers. Sch avoid shielding with succor or Adlo unless absolutely necessary for the same reasons. Astros just play whm instead.
    Holy is a Stun, not a Shield. Or am I so casual that I dont understand the Lingo of Mitigation? Scholar Galvanize and Ast's 2nd Sect shielding to me is Mitigation.
    But eh, the more I read the less I obviously understand. But then again everything your telling me just sounds like a different play style. I don't do "Priority Healing" I just heal when needed, and DPS when I dont need to heal. Worked out for 2 and a half expansions, starting halfway through HW, and with all 3 Jobs.
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    Last edited by Zanarkand-Ronso; 08-24-2019 at 11:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Holy is a Stun, not a Shield. Or am I so casual that I dont understand the Lingo of Mitigation? Scholar Galvanize and Ast's 2nd Sect shielding to me is Mitigation.
    But eh, the more I read the less I obviously understand. But then again everything your telling me just sounds like a different play style. I don't do "Priority Healing" I just heal when needed, and DPS when I dont need to heal. Worked out for 2 and a half expansions, starting halfway through HW, and with all 3 Jobs.
    If it's not attacking, no health is being lost. If there is a shield up, no health is being lost. Different cause, same effect, with the effect being mitigation.

    As for being reactive, that's fine for non optimal play, but the most scarce healer resource in this game is gcds, since mana isn't an issue for most healers. That means optimisation comes from using gcds effectively, and (as explained) that means prioritising ogcd heals. A lot of my joy in healing comes from optimising, even if what I'm doing isn't perfect yet, and I imagine plenty of other healers are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatstand View Post
    If it's not attacking, no health is being lost. If there is a shield up, no health is being lost. Different cause, same effect, with the effect being mitigation.

    As for being reactive, that's fine for non optimal play, but the most scarce healer resource in this game is gcds, since mana isn't an issue for most healers. That means optimisation comes from using gcds effectively, and (as explained) that means prioritising ogcd heals. A lot of my joy in healing comes from optimising, even if what I'm doing isn't perfect yet, and I imagine plenty of other healers are the same.
    If you say so
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