Can SCH get its bugs fixed?

[EaMett]

Posting this here because the content of the healer sub forum doesn’t seem to get passed onto the dev team consistently given how the most recent live letter had the devs saying “what sch issues?” Even though we’ve been flooding the healing forum with these issues since launch day.

Some of these are bugs, some of them are regressions:

• galvanize is absorbing the damage before catalyze. There’s no way this was intended design since the whole point in the first place should have been to be able to deploy off the tanks (in the current situation you can’t)
  
• using any fairy abilities before summoning seraph or dissipating your fairy will put the skill on cooldown without actually triggering the heal. This is even more of an issue because of the following point which is a regression
  
• very poor reactivity of the fairy. At the end of SB this was actually working better than ever and the new pet design has been a step back. It’s because embrace is instant now so you almost always need to wait on your fairy gcd before the queued skill launches. Combine this with dissipation or summoning seraph and you need to wait a significant amount before you can use these skills back to back with your fairy heals. It’s made even worse from the fact we’re pushed into forced double weaves from the low ruin II potency (the point being we definitely can’t double weave fairy skills and dissipation/summon) there are some workarounds, sometimes you just need to clip, it’s just clunky overall and a step back from what we had before.

Thank you for your time, I feel like I’m forgetting something but I’ll just edit if I remember.

[rachcouture]

The state of healers right now hurts, especially as an omnihealer main. That no one on the dev team seems to care leaves me feeling so hopeless that I've more or less given up on them every doing right by this role.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The state of healers right now hurts, especially as an omnihealer main. That no one on the dev team seems to care leaves me feeling so hopeless that I've more or less given up on them every doing right by this role.

Such a Defeatest attitude.
Let them know whats wrong, feel free to give suggestions on how it could be fixed.And make use with what you have now till things get looked at.

[Hatstand]

Such a Defeatest attitude.
Let them know whats wrong, feel free to give suggestions on how it could be fixed.And make use with what you have now till things get looked at.

Except that we did. There are countless explanations of what’s wrong and suggested fixes in the questions for the live letter. And they’re some of the most upvoted questions outside those in the first few pages, and they had to be later on because we were asked not to post until after 5.05. There are even more detailed explanations and suggestions all over the healer forums, and have been since the changes were announced. Despite this, healers were the only jobs mentioned in the live letter who weren’t either assured that changes were being worked on or that the dev team appreciated the feedback. Instead AST got a “this is how it is now” and the other healers got silence.

So, yes, I, feeling a little defeatist right now. I really hope that SE does fix healers, but seeing SCH at least has been on a downwards trajectory since 4.0 (in kit of not in QoL), and SE seems completely wedded to the new AST system which many ASTs very much dislike, I have little faith.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Except that we did. There are countless explanations of what’s wrong and suggested fixes in the questions for the live letter. And they’re some of the most upvoted questions outside those in the first few pages, and they had to be later on because we were asked not to post until after 5.05. There are even more detailed explanations and suggestions all over the healer forums, and have been since the changes were announced. Despite this, healers were the only jobs mentioned in the live letter who weren’t either assured that changes were being worked on or that the dev team appreciated the feedback. Instead AST got a “this is how it is now” and the other healers got silence.

So, yes, I, feeling a little defeatist right now. I really hope that SE does fix healers, but seeing SCH at least has been on a downwards trajectory since 4.0 (in kit of not in QoL), and SE seems completely wedded to the new AST system which many ASTs very much dislike, I have little faith.

We're what, on Patch 5.05 and you want to throw in the towel just because Senpai didn't give us enough attention on 1 Live Letter? Geez the Male Viera Thread has Nothing to go on and they over there still got way more enthusiasm for what they want despite it probably not happening. Things can always change and get updated, a handful of times moves were taken out, and then at some point brought back in, like Energy Drain. Healers are at least guaranteed to have something done if we keep being vocal about it, so stop putting your head down about it and acting like nothing will ever be done.
It won't happen right away, but it can always happen.

[Hatstand]

We're what, on Patch 5.05 and you want to throw in the towel just because Senpai didn't give us enough attention on 1 Live Letter? Geez the Male Viera Thread has Nothing to go on and they over there still got way more enthusiasm for what they want despite it probably not happening. Things can always change and get updated, a handful of times moves were taken out, and then at some point brought back in, like Energy Drain. Healers are at least guaranteed to have something done if we keep being vocal about it, so stop putting your head down about it and acting like nothing will ever be done.
It won't happen right away, but it can always happen.

I mean, the live letter didn’t help, but it’s the general trajectory that the healers are on that bothers me. Honestly, healing hasn’t been the same for me since they changed cleric stance to no longer be a stance. Every expansion they whittle away at our offensive kit and add to our defensive kit, but the requirements haven’t changed. Which means we’re still using each kit the same amount, but one of those kits is bloated and the other incredibly threadbare. They seem to want to remove more of our offensive kits than they’ve ended up doing, too, since miasma 2 was removed then restored in Stormblood as Energy Drain was taken and restored in Shadowbringers. There has been plenty of feedback from healers to this effect, but until I hear them confirm that they’re going to course correct I’ll assume they’ll continue on the same course they’ve been on for the last few years.

Add to that the fact that a lot of these bugs didn’t exist before the changes and it gives the impression that the devs care more about this vision for healers than about how the classes feel to play. That said, I do believe we’ll get QoL improvements at least, eventually. That doesn’t mean I feel much optimism about the future of healing.

[Mikhaill]

We're what, on Patch 5.05 and you want to throw in the towel just because Senpai didn't give us enough attention on 1 Live Letter? Geez the Male Viera Thread has Nothing to go on and they over there still got way more enthusiasm for what they want despite it probably not happening. Things can always change and get updated, a handful of times moves were taken out, and then at some point brought back in, like Energy Drain. Healers are at least guaranteed to have something done if we keep being vocal about it, so stop putting your head down about it and acting like nothing will ever be done.
It won't happen right away, but it can always happen.

We're tired. That's why.
We all got sent to the stake and are still burning on it.
I know this is a SCH bug fix thread but a lot of healers are upset with
general changes, homogenization and we don't have nothing to play with, and won't for at least 6 years total.
(If they give us a new healer in 6.0) Just burnt out and tired. SE made healers a snoozefest for me.
I got AST/SCH to 80 and I can't be asked to touch 'em anymore...

[MrKusakabe]

And I thought it was me mashing my fairy's AoE heal and it would simply not happen until it "randomly" does.
In general, my Selene is like a dog on a sugar rush: I have to repeat 10x what I want her to do and then she disappears in the fights and camouflages herself in the nowhere, just to get blasted in to the corner of the boss arena and I waste my stuff or out of range issues make it so unneccesarily hard. Not to mention that I often overheal because Selene and me think to heal the same person. I miss the clear indicator (arrows) that Selene is doing something. For a profession that has to count on a pet, the current situation is like playing on hardmode for no reason as Scholar.

[Seraphor]

- galvanize is absorbing the damage before catalyze. There’s no way this was intended design since the whole point in the first place should have been to be able to deploy off the tanks (in the current situation you can’t)

I'm not understanding you here.

I can only see the differentiation between these being it's use for Deployment Tactics.
As Catalyse is the 'bonus' shield, it kinda makes sense that you'll get through the 'base' shield first, otherwise you've got loads more time to use Deployment Tactics.
I'm not sure what it is you 'can't' do here, you just need to use DT asap, as you always have.

[Billythepancake]

I'm not understanding you here.

I can only see the differentiation between these being it's use for Deployment Tactics.
As Catalyse is the 'bonus' shield, it kinda makes sense that you'll get through the 'base' shield first, otherwise you've got loads more time to use Deployment Tactics.
I'm not sure what it is you 'can't' do here, you just need to use DT asap, as you always have.

Yeah huh the problem is, you have to wait a second or two before deploy, otherwise it just spreads nothing. And in that second or two the tank has taken an auto, meaning you didn't spread the best shield you could. Even if that wasn't a problem, you have time to use a deploy before your GCDs are up, so that's when you would WANT to deploy, since it would either negate clipping entirely, or at least severely reduce it. Instead now we're either forced to clip broil, or use another ruin II to weave it in.