Can SCH get its bugs fixed?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm sorry, but why is a healer main that has never played at a properly optimized level telling people the class was fine, when most of the glaring issues are seen at high levels of play. ._. As a whm main at 70, the better you got at playing your whm the less cure/cure 2s you did. You optimized around your healing partner and around your own oGCDs, this went for all healers. You could get through most dungeons and even ex/savage raids with only using maybe 3-4 cure/cure 2s in the entire fight/dungeon run, the better you got with your healers the more obsolete cure/cure 2 became. That's why people say the lily system was broken for nigh on 2 years, the better you were the more useless it got.

Mitigation is used as kind of a catch all for any form of damage mitigation, stuns, shields and even debuffs like addle/feint all fall into this category as they mitigate overall damage taken. In the case of holy it mitigates incoming damage for the duration of the stun, which is why they used mitigation when they referenced it.

Edit: Want to apologize for how arrogant and condescending this post comes off as, back to back 15 hour shifts in the ICU ward on 3 hours of sleep has made me a bit more cranky that I had realized upon writing this response lol. x.x

Because I played the class just fine without any issues. All the issues with the class is everyone else's, not mine.

[Hatstand]

Because I played the class just fine without any issues. All the issues with the class is everyone else's, not mine.

Wow. Just wow. I don’t know if it’s what you meant, but that reads as “the class works for me, therefore it’s fine, despite the fact that it doesn’t work for a lot of other people.” Which is an argument any of them could use against you with equal validity. Therefore there’s not really much weight to either side of the argument.

When you’ve got two substantial groups of people with different playstyles playing the same class (because it works best for them) there are two potential solutions. Either change the class in such a way that they will both be happy (like new WHM lilies) or move the class towards what one side wants and make a new class to satisfy the others (like I hope they’ll eventually do with AST).

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

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Ill say it again. Patience. Things can always get better, dont be all defeatist about it. Machinist for example without completely repeating myself. That was one of my main points.
Ill acknowledge I dont know how AST was in the very beginning, but like you said it saw improvements, then 4.0 it was amazing. But now its in a rough spot. This can change, it can be improved..
All Im really saying.

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Correction. I don't understand everybodies issues because I have none of these issues personally.
Im probly to casual to fully grasp and understand what people are talking about because I play without thinking as much about certain things. Im trying to say I obviously dont get it.
I thought SB's Lily system was fine (After they gave a Guaranteed Lily after a Cure.) and I liked that full Lilies decreased Cooldowns. And now in ShB I think they just improved it, I like the new spells, I like how the gauge works IMO. I dont wanna go on to long and just repeat myself, but the core of the issue here is, everybody is pointing out the issues, and Im trying to say these issues go over my head, because I dont notice them.

[Fynlar]

On the other hand, splitting the critlo into two shields is a deliberate design meant to entice you to deploy off of your tank and benefit from the extra shield to cover for autos while at the same time getting a more consistent healing rotation from a fixed galvanize value. This was meant to be the upside of losing so much potency on critlo-deploy in 5.0.

There is no "enticement" here, come on. All it was meant for was to keep us from being able to spread a critlo. That's it.

[EaMett]

There is no "enticement" here, come on. All it was meant for was to keep us from being able to spread a critlo. That's it.

There would have been absolutely no reason to give us catalyze in the first place if this were the case. It was obvious critlo was just too much with the addition of recitation. It meant that critlo had to be changed. They ended up buffing adlo crit base shielding that way we could have a better and more consistent deploy than previously (a buff overall even if we lost the broken and unreliable pre-5.0 critlo). Why give us catalyze? So we could place it on people who aren't tanking and then have to heal everyone up anyways? Overhealing that one target for the whole value of the catalyze in the process? "Come on".
There's little to no need to even adlo your tanks in combat, even less to critlo them. Recitation is def better used for single target on excog that is just slightly under what you would get from your critlo (10kish) and is a single ogcd, not to even mention you save your stack for ED this way. The only real use catalyze has is with ET for heavier burst and even that is pretty situational.

All that to say that Catalyze being a separate shield is either designed with spreading from your tanks in mind for a bit of bonus mitigation, or a shortsighted mechanic. Like I said I'm inclined to think it's the first since they put it there in the first place, clearly they weren't worried about people crying if they lost it since they just outright removed ED.

[Aomine1992]

I’m not a healer main or know a whole lot about healing as a sch but every now and then I will heal to get a fast expert que.

The only thing I can say that I noticed from an inexperienced point of view but very experienced point of view with the crap pet AI is that yea if you do to much to quickly you’ll waste a skill and it will go on cd without actually being used, same issue with SMN and it’s ekindle or any pet action if used right before a Demi summons the skill goes unused but put on cd.

This just shows how much more work SE really needs to invest in their horrible pet AI and don’t get me started on how retarded seraph can be sometimes lol but I can see how these pet issue can really be an issue from a healing stand point. It’s sad that we been on SE about pets yet here we are years later still dealing with the ramifications

[Fynlar]

Why give us catalyze? So we could place it on people who aren't tanking and then have to heal everyone up anyways? Overhealing that one target for the whole value of the catalyze in the process? "Come on".

Catalyze wasn't something "given" to us; it's simply something that makes the doubled barrier from critlo not spreadable due to the fine print stating that DT only spreads Galvanize, presumably because they thought being able to spread a full strength critlo (particularly since now you can perform one on demand) was too overpowered. I'm not really sure what else you're trying to get at here.

[EaMett]

Catalyze wasn't something "given" to us; it's simply something that makes the doubled barrier from critlo not spreadable due to the fine print stating that DT only spreads Galvanize, presumably because they thought being able to spread a full strength critlo (particularly since now you can perform one on demand) was too overpowered. I'm not really sure what else you're trying to get at here.

Maybe I wasn't clear. The new buffed Adlo had no need for catalyze in the first place. The trade off is that you miss out on the "chance" of getting an insane party mitigation but in exchange get a bigger guarantied shield. The critlo from pre-5.0 was inconsistent and you never planned around it, you just switched things up if you had a crit. Being able to get more mitigation out of adlo and have it be consistent was a buff that didn't require catalyze.

In 4.0, "double barrier" had little use outside of spreading scenarios seing as you would rarely adlo your tank anyways. And even then you wouldn't count on it. So naturally, post 5.0, Catalyze losing that use is left hanging. The fact that they even bothered to give/keep this mechanic in this form means, again, that it is either intended to help spread from the tanks, or that the design took a wrong turn somewhere. And I'm putting my money on the former hence why it's here stated as a bug.
If you're making the point that they just kept the double shield for the sake of it in this new form, then catalyze is kind of pointless and although it doesn't qualify as a bug, it's still bad design and demonstrates a lack of understanding for how the class plays. Either way it could use fixing.