emote spamming lala's

[SturmChurro]

one came up and said something along the lines of "that's harrassment" then flew away. It left me and my fellow FC member very confused.

Sounds about right for this community. I'm surprised they didn't say "there, there, I'm here now" or something to the person being emoted at. What a nice community!

[MrKusakabe]

What you guys forget here is that the GMs ruled it as offense, too.
So "people reporting this stuff are oversensitive" are one thing, but when the claim of harrasment has been ruled as that by the company official, it maybe is or was offensive. How about that?
I am still sure the GameMasters have enough brain to see the timestamps, context and all that. So far, my business with the Game Masters were absolutely fine. In threads like this, there are horror stories told about things that are not even remotely true or out of context.

Are there any real stories that you guys can tell when a GM did ban someone for "trivial" things? I mean, with screenshots and such? So far, there are 80% assumptions, such as:

If the same emote is repeated over and over again then yes that's spamming. But if several emotes are used one after the other odds are they are part of a conversation. And if you report someone for that, it could be viewed as you doing the harrassing.

Or simply still an offense to the rules, such as:

I meant they don't care if it's silent and without chat log or full on voice/log spam :P

If you spam, then you spam. It is obviously noted somewhere in some log that these quiet emotes were done, as the GM saw it in their logs. It is the entire emote that gets people annoyed, not just the SFX. It would be a loophole if you could annoy people with spamming emotes by just muting them, you are in fact still spamming emotes, silent or not.
Sometimes people need to accept their wrong-doings. It's like these Otter threads where they simply needed 2 deleted threas and 2 banwaves to figure out the General Discussion is not a place for that offtopic. This answer here also contains a lot of wrong ways of thinking:

If someone reports you for spamming (and you actually did spam) you will get a warning. I have gotten a warning for spamming a silent emote in gridania with chat log off, they don't care. My friend spammed some emotes the otherday and got pulled into prison during raid and got a warning.

A warning is fine. You spammed an emote. Period. Not using it as intended, but over the top. And then "some friend" is being summoned to add to the story. Said friend did someting "the otherday" and has been pulled into prison. In 2015, when I got pulled into the prison for AFKing in Haukke Manor on the sofas in the lobby, the GM could not pull me out of that duty as it was an instance and they won't ruin a dungeon for other people by taking a part of the group away out of a sudden. You get your punishment afterwards. So "your friend" might not telling the truth in that matter either.

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Reporting for tiny petty things like that is silly...

Meanwhile bots rule the world and people being hella toxic and super rude in dungeons.
But /Joy spam is a big no no, you big fat meanies!
Like Jesus lmao.

"lmao" are also free to report "hella toxic" and "super rude" people in dungeons. And AFAIK, they are dealt with the very same way with spammers (-> Parser threads). So being "hella toxic" and an annoying spammer are both things to be dealt with, and nobody gets an instant ban for emote spamming, just a warning to remind them that spamming is not a nice thing. Which is, again, sad that you have to be reminded of that in the first place. . . .

In all the other cases counts: "No plaintiff, no judge". I do not advocate for reporting, but I neither do advocate for getting spammed at. My example earlier still matters: Two parties have different views on a matter, so let the third one decide - which is the GM.

If you play other games like LoL, you will notice it is nice that the GMs do something (or not). When you have both games in comparison like I have, usually playing one right after the other, it is like jumping from a hole on a frozen lake into a warm whirlpool. Many of you probably forgot how nice that is and wish rather to have some sort of anarchy or something going on. I heard that from a person that got a 700€ fine for causing mess with the police, too. "Them cops, that a-hole judge! I just shoved the guy over the place. Nobody got hurt!!" Yeah, don't annoy people then..

Sincerely,

[HumanNinjaToo]

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I think what you're forgetting here is that a company's ToS is not always as equitable and open-minded as some people like to believe. Rules are rules, I guess, so a GM is most likely going to judge in favor of the rule, and probably not waste any time looking into the circumstances surrounding the alleged infraction.

I think what some of the people here are getting at is that being held to the strictest standard of the rules isn't always fair to the person being reported on, especially if there was no malicious intent behind the action that got them reported. And if you really look at the ToS for this game, you could file some solid reports against people for some pretty silly things. The problem is that anything that comes across as insensitive or inconsiderate is translated, according to the ToS, as heinous and therefor inexcusable.

Just because people don't agree with you, or with the ToS, doesn't mean that they are "not telling the truth" or "have a wrong way of thinking."

[Arg0n]

What, there are really some players who report other players for emotes?
Omg what happened to FF14...

I hope this just a north america datacenter thing lol.

[Beelhi]

If you spam, then you spam. It is obviously noted somewhere in some log that these quiet emotes were done, as the GM saw it in their logs. It is the entire emote that gets people annoyed, not just the SFX. It would be a loophole if you could annoy people with spamming emotes by just muting them, you are in fact still spamming emotes, silent or not.

A warning is fine. You spammed an emote. Period. Not using it as intended, but over the top. And then "some friend" is being summoned to add to the story. Said friend did someting "the otherday" and has been pulled into prison. In 2015, when I got pulled into the prison for AFKing in Haukke Manor on the sofas in the lobby, the GM could not pull me out of that duty as it was an instance and they won't ruin a dungeon for other people by taking a part of the group away out of a sudden. You get your punishment afterwards. So "your friend" might not telling the truth in that matter either.

I never said that I don't agree with the warning. Sure I find it a bit silly, but i merely stated and informed that even if you turn chat log off and use a silent emote it is still reportable and you can get a warning.

And the only thing i have to prove that I didn't just make up the story about "my friend" that got a warning "the otherday" is this, I blurred every name but mine.



I was not there, I was only in voice chat with them. The person in chat log blurred out was there spamming with them and i heard them laughing about it and even told them to stop spamming. Only one of them got reported, and pulled into prison.

You can believe what you want after this, I'm not here to convince you. I was merely, like I said, informing people that even without sound/log you will get a warning if you are reported.

[Nanami_Naniwa]

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for god sakes, if you're gonna be obnoxious as all hell at least uncheck the 'log message', [...], please.

I... I... I didn't know I could do that....

[StouterTaru]

I... I... I didn't know I could do that....

You can also disable the chat log notification in macros by adding "motion" after the emote:

/dance motion

[Gula]

So I wonder, can everyone be reported here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldogspZm3Dg

[Violet_Galaxy]

So I wonder, can everyone be reported here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldogspZm3Dg

For a normal Saturday night at peak time? I would hope not.

[Gula]

For a normal Saturday night at peak time? I would hope not.

But it's Thursday.