(Spoiler) About amaurots downfall

[LittleArrow]

Hey there, I think I found a clue as to the deep groaning.

So I was watching Speaker's Network newest lore dive video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r87PZIhZ_vY). In that video, he uncovers a Koji interview about some obscure 1.0 lore.

Ok, this is only a clue and it's purely speculation, but I think this could be relevant. (https://youtu.be/r87PZIhZ_vY?t=765) There's a presence UNDERNEATH Silvertear Lake that the 1.0 story was supposed to unearth. Here's a quote of the interview:

"That was related to the whole, 'what lies deep beneath silvertear?' Yes, something stopped His (Gaius) advance, and then there was the trailer beam, tons of primals shooting out. And then there was the seal. What is it sealing? What was going on in there?"

"[...] Whether that was enough to seal off something that was already sealed, but the seal was getting weak, or.. that I don't know. There could be something like that. The hint that Gaius was stopped for a reason, and that it was a powerful force. There's a presence. It wasn't just Midgardsormr there, it was more of a force [...]"

Seeing as how Silvertear is this massive pool of aether and sort of a soft spot concerning Hydaelyn.. enough of an opening she made a deal with Midgardsormr to get him to guard it is really interesting.

Now, this could've all been repurposed to describe Hydaelyn's presence down there for the story with Midgardsormr and Heavensward. This all also could've been dragged out and put into Shadowbringers and repurposed there as something else. Still, this sounds earily similar to the deep groaning within the planet that was referred to in the fall of Amarout.

I think this 'deep groan' is still in the planet and I wouldn't be surprised if it is tied to Silvertear. Maybe that's how Graha was able to teleport the tower through the rift(?). There's a common link between that location and all of the other reflections. Who knows, but super stoked to run across this neat tidbit of info

[Alleluia]

Yeah, the "presence" beneath Silvertear keeps enticing our imaginations. I could see it tying in to the cause behind the Terminus event. Assumign the devs are gonna pick up that thread at some point. Its right alongside "what is the Heart of Sabik?" on the FF14 lore cryptid list.

[NessaWyvern]

I like to think the sound coming from the planet was the planet itself rejecting the Ascians manipulation of reality.

I've been thinking the same thing, mostly because of the music track in FF7 "You can hear the cry of the planet". It could very well be, that their creation magic (creating creatures that die later, such as Griffin's that one if them creates, etc.) caused some kind of disturbance in the lifestream.

[KageTokage]

I cannot help but wonder what the "sins stacked to the heavens" that Emet Selch mentions during Amaurot were.

It implies the ancients had been doing something really wrong, but likely never even realized it until it was too late.

The latest Tales from the Shadows bringing up that the creations of ancients could sometimes end up being inhabited/controlled by stray souls that had yet to properly return to the underworld/Lifestream makes me think that could have something to do with it all.

[EdwinLi]

I cannot help but wonder what the "sins stacked to the heavens" that Emet Selch mentions during Amaurot were.

It implies the ancients had been doing something really wrong, but likely never even realized it until it was too late.

The latest Tales from the Shadows bringing up that the creations of ancients could sometimes end up being inhabited/controlled by stray souls that had yet to properly return to the underworld/Lifestream makes me think that could have something to do with it all.

Makes me wonder if they may have had their own version of the "Ascians" in the Original World but a bit more insane due to desiring the destruction of the world.

If anything I learned from fantasy stories involving restless souls or souls unable to move on it is that a restless soul may become disillusioned to a point they only desire destruction of the living or that when they are alive they were already this disillusioned.

[MikkoAkure]

Unsupported theory here for a second, but what if that CGI took place in the First? We are led to believe that the Source of the First and Silvertear Lake of the Source (confusing I know) are linked. During the trailer for 1.0 when the derplander (really Ardbert, we just didn't know at the time) gathers guildleves for his group and sees that vision, it didn't really happen to them, but to the WoL on the Source. So Ardbert accidentally sees what was going on in the Source during the Battle of Silvertear.

I understand the story was not planned that far ahead, but they did reuse the Crystarium, Cylva, and many other project "Rapture" ideas. It can not be understated as having some affect on the current story as Yoshida has always been active in using the original dev teams work as a basis for the story he wants to tell. Dalamud being a prime example.

Ardbert and derplander are not the same person. They made Ardbert look like him because the derplander and his party in the CGI is supposed to be representative of the WoL, and Ardbert’s whole arc in Heavensward was about how that could’ve been us and to hammer in how similar we are. Also the Crystarium wasn’t built yet and didn’t even look like that in the original render concepts for the Crystarium.

Back to the topic at hand, I wonder if the sound had anything to do with the Underworld mentioned in Tales from the Shadows and the souls getting trapped in Amaurotian creations.

[Nalien]

My completely baseless theory is that we cause the Terminus event.

A flip on the original Final Fantasy story; Garland is defeated. The Four Fiends send him back in time. He becomes Chaos. He sends the Four Fiends forward in time so they can send him backwards in time.

We are defeated. We Echo backwards in time. We trigger the Terminus event. We set into motion all of the events leading to the summoning of Zodiark and the rise of the Ascians. The Ascians defeat us. We Echo backwards in time...

Now, if only there was an alternate timeline where a world-ending chemical defeated us...

I cannot help but wonder what the "sins stacked to the heavens" that Emet Selch mentions during Amaurot were.

It implies the ancients had been doing something really wrong, but likely never even realized it until it was too late.

I simply took that as a follow on from their deepest fears manifesting. They weren't necessarily sinning before hand, just that after the Terminus event started, their concepts of "wrong" began to manifest, so their sins (their idea of what sin is) began to manifest and stack to the heavens. Everything they feared started to manifest, the more of them that gave into fear, the worse things got. Eventually all it takes is someone to fear that the planet is doomed and, well... That manifests too...

I'm not actually convinced it was a problem with the planet at all. We're told they had enough aether individual to manifest their creations without using external sources (Crystals/the planets aether), so it sounds more like this was a case of them being infected with something that robbed them of the ability to control their creation magic, rather than the planet Nope'ing them for some reason. Emet does say that the very fabric of their star began to unravel, but that could easily be their doing. Their plan was to weave them anew, so it stands to reason that they could also do the opposite, and given their fears were just manifesting out of their control... "I fear the stars laws are unraveling" is all that needs to be said to start that process... Essentially a cataclysmic positive feedback loop... You're scared of something, so it manifests, now that its manifested its real and scares more people, feeding that manifestation and creating more, carrying on exponentially...

[Riastrad]

Ardbert and derplander are not the same person. They made Ardbert look like him because the derplander and his party in the CGI is supposed to be representative of the WoL, and Ardbert’s whole arc in Heavensward was about how that could’ve been us and to hammer in how similar we are. Also the Crystarium wasn’t built yet and didn’t even look like that in the original render concepts for the Crystarium.

Back to the topic at hand, I wonder if the sound had anything to do with the Underworld mentioned in Tales from the Shadows and the souls getting trapped in Amaurotian creations.

Yeah, me and the other guy agreed a while back on this...

[EdwinLi]

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That would still go back to the whole "it is always the Ascian's fault" plot they keep repeating since 1.0 in the end. In this case it was the Ancient Ascians.

There is a limit to how many times they can repeat this plot over and over again each expansion to a point that the storyline is practically saying "kill all Ascians so they can stop Fing up the world because they keep Fing up the world even in the beginning when they never intensionally wanted to F up the world". Not to mention it would make them look naturally incompetent because in the end all they can do is F up the world.

[Riardon]

The cry from within the planet is a nice opportunity to introduce the idea of the parasite Jenova into XIV seeing how XIV borrows almost everything from older FFs.