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    Newtt's Avatar
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    Sleepy Newt
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    Odin
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    Scholar Lv 90

    Change SCH Dissipation

    This ability locking you out of all fairy abilities just feels bad to use and is lack luster.

    My way to improve it or rework the skill is:
    Still remove the fairy (if SE want it to keep that theme)
    But have the Fairy abilities emanate from player character.
    Fairy Wings visual on the player maybe? (might be too similar to WHM )
    Still gives 3 aether flow.
    Still buffs healing.

    I love Scholar but dam I've always disliked this ability.
    Really think it needs to be changed.

    Also why the hell does our fairy still have a cast time?

    Thanks
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    Glamazon Amazonia
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    Mateus
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    Astrologian Lv 98
    Change it to
    Empowerment:
    Scholar summons both fairies simultaneously Eos casting a regen while Selene casts a shield. Gives three aetherflow. You are not locked out of fairy abilities.
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Just friggen get rid of it. Buff Energy Drain if need be because this ability feels so clunky and backwards to use. The only time I have ever touched this ability was for more Energy Drain. Losing the fairy always felt terrible even when using it for that because micromanaging it is part of our core gameplay. Give us a better HW capstone ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Larek Darkholme
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    We've been complaining about Dissipation since... I dunno... was it 3.0?
    They won't change it, don't bother.
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    Ren Thras
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hysterior View Post
    We've been complaining about Dissipation since... I dunno... was it 3.0?
    They won't change it, don't bother.
    Sadly, you're not wrong.

    Then again, some other Jobs have been complaining for ages and finally got something changed - DRKs have complained about Living Dead since 3.0 as well. If the wheel is squeaky enough, sometimes it gets oil.
    ...or a good kick, but who doesn't enjoy a good kick once in a while...?
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    I still remember the day it was introduced and how I immediately complained about it. Well, nothing has changed in what, 7 years ? It's always felt out of place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    I still remember the day it was introduced and how I immediately complained about it. Well, nothing has changed in what, 7 years ? It's always felt out of place.
    Oh, they made one (absolutely necessary) change: The original skill did not resummon Eos after it was over, I don't think. You had to manually resummon her. If you weren't tracking when Dissipation ended, she just...wouldn't be there until you noticed. Though I don't remember if summoning was 5 sec back then or not, needless to say, they got enough complaints they changed THAT.

    .

    ForsakeRoe - I've seen it used as part of the "ultrashield" maneuver (where SCH use every last buff they can for a super Adlo to spread, usually in hardcore prog/world first parties to cheese some difficult mechanic, and it's often a party effort with MNK, BRD, etc getting in with their buffs, then spreading the Adlo and using lots of party mitigation to survive mechanics that are supposed to one-shot party members if failed), and the "galaxy brain" 4 man dungeon use is to hit Dissipation just as the party's finishing up the first two packs/first wall pull, this way the SCH has full AF going into the next two packs/second wall pull AND can use a buffed Adlo on the tank for a bigger shield to start off the pull.

    Dissipation, we all forget, is technically supposed to be a healing CD. It boosts healing spell (useless on Physic, nearly always useless on Succor, not actually useless on Adlo) by 20% in addition to giving three Aetherflow supposedly to be used for healing the party in emergencies (lol!). It's just a really BAD one because it dismisses Eos, meaning you lose access to a lot of your heals, Energy Drain competes with AF heals (with the only exception being Recitation; Recitation can't be used for Energy Drain) for those three stacks you just got, consuming AF for the next 30 seconds doesn't contribute to Faerie Gauge since Eos isn't out, and despite giving you 3 AF stacks supposedly for healing, it only buffs healing SPELLS (Physic, Adlo, and Succor), not healing ABILITIES (all the oGCDs, including the AF ones it just gave you three of).

    ...I'm pretty sure you know all that and I'm preaching to the choir on this one, but basically, it defeats itself. It isn't useful as a healing CD outside of the ultrashield scenario, which is only really used by coordinated groups. Ultrashielding requires several GCDs and a lot of oGCD weaves (something like 5) that have to be done in a specific order (one is Fey Illumination, which you obviously have to use before Dissipation dismisses Eos and have to be careful not to ghost by using Dissipation too soon), and because it requires other party member support (if available), this requires a fair amount of coordination. It's there, but it's super niche and they could do the same thing by having it NOT dismiss Eos.

    Alternatively, if it also buffed healing abilities, that would at least make it not at war with itself - why give AF stacks for healing and not boost their healing but instead boost the healing of spells, which are slow to cast and MP expensive, so not as useful in emergencies? Why not buff both? Why not have using Dissipation generate 30 gauge (since you will miss out on that from Eos not being there unless you hold them all until she comes back; and it's not like Faerie Gauge is so useful even if people were doing that it'd be gamebreaking or anything.

    If it's going to be just a damage CD (which is how it's actually used most of the time), just have it generate 3 stacks of "Energy Drain Ready" that lets you get in 3 EDs without an AF cost, like how Recitation works for Adlo, Indom, and Excog and be done with it.

    It's like it's trying to be 4 different things and doing none of them well because they kind of compete and it kind of half-asses each one. I think we want a whole ass, and we don't care which one, we just want SE to pick one ass and whole it.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 01-17-2023 at 03:27 AM. Reason: EDIT for space

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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Logic
    And we have lodged this exact feedback to the devs in every conceivable way and they still refuse to touch Dissipation.

    Hell, if it just gave 3 stacks of aetherflow it would be better than it is now. The 20% healing is pointless (as you described) since it only affects 3 spells in our entire kit.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Oh, they made one (absolutely necessary) change: The original skill did not resummon Eos after it was over, I don't think. You had to manually resummon her. If you weren't tracking when Dissipation ended, she just...wouldn't be there until you noticed. Though I don't remember if summoning was 5 sec back then or not, needless to say, they got enough complaints they changed THAT.
    It truly was a hated skill when it was introduced, but I've (and so many others when they saw the trailer and when it went live) always had a problem with how it functions and feels at its core, as it has a strong identity. And it boils down to : why is the fairy "dissipated", why does it vanish when it's so central to the scholar job ? Did someone want to get rid of it at some point ? I certainly don't think so, we need more interactions with it instead.
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Siren
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    My personal opinion is to change it to act similar to WHM's Assize, AST's Earthly Star, and SGE's Pneuma. Make it deal damage, with maybe a potency of 250, and create a "stackable" shield with a potency of 500, and it could be on a 60 sec cool down. That lines up well with the other healers similar skills. The increased healing potency could be added to Seraph, as that just makes sense anyway, both you and your faerie get stronger.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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