More content for solo players?

[Gramul]

I am so tired of this response (it's not just you Agoven, so this isn't personal).

Have you people ever played another MMO besides FFXI?

Every single MMO (except FFXI) has 1000's of quests which are primarily done solo. It has always been this way and always should be.

Every MMO (except FFXI) has Class/Job quests & Storylines that you can complete solo and at your own pace. It has always been this way and always should be.

Every MMO also has Party-based content that you either need a full party to complete or need to be "over-leveled" in order to complete with a short party or solo.

FFXI was and still is the one and only exception to having tons of solo content and imo is the main reason it was never more popular than it was.

Yes the "point" of an MMO is to play with other people but not all the time 24/7, 7 days a week.

Please stop with this failed "go play a single player offline game" crap. It is really getting old and is just not factual.

p.s. Sorry for the rant...going to bed now...obviously need sleep cuz am getting cranky (although I am old so I am allowed) ;>P

I'm not saying you're wrong, but why should it be this way? Before WoW came out FFXI was extremely popular, so there was clearly interest outside of the lack of single player content.

[Searious]

I'm gonna put in a vote for more solo conent. I don't get what people are crying about. It's not like if they added solo content you'd be forced to play it.

[Asiaine]

Maybe this is how FFXIV (and XI) want to be different.
They want to be very focused on group play to the point where the benefit of solo play is negligible.

It may not be what everyone wants. It may not be the best thing in the world. But it may be one (of many) things that sets this world apart. And this can lead into the development of aspects that are not common in other games (like the tighter bonding of linkshell members and people you meet).

Again, not saying its good or bad. Just saying, maybe its intentional, maybe its supposed to be an aspect.

(Kind of like how I dislike yucky skeletons and wish they were not here, but I accept that it is an aspect of this game).

[InfiniDragon]

I am so tired of this response (it's not just you Agoven, so this isn't personal).

Have you people ever played another MMO besides FFXI?

Every single MMO (except FFXI) has 1000's of quests which are primarily done solo. It has always been this way and always should be.

Every MMO (except FFXI) has Class/Job quests & Storylines that you can complete solo and at your own pace. It has always been this way and always should be.

Every MMO also has Party-based content that you either need a full party to complete or need to be "over-leveled" in order to complete with a short party or solo.

FFXI was and still is the one and only exception to having tons of solo content and imo is the main reason it was never more popular than it was.

Yes the "point" of an MMO is to play with other people but not all the time 24/7, 7 days a week.

Please stop with this failed "go play a single player offline game" crap. It is really getting old and is just not factual.

p.s. Sorry for the rant...going to bed now...obviously need sleep cuz am getting cranky (although I am old so I am allowed) ;>P

Basically this. Thank you.

This should be repeated anytime someone says that MMOs should not have content for solo players because it's an MMO. Ideally it should cater to someone who may not have the ability to get a group together quickly as well as those that do. Take Dark Souls for an example. Not an MMO sure, but it's big focus is isolation. A lone adventurer against an army of baddies...yet that game also has the option to summon friends if you choose it.

Saying you shouldn't play an MMO if you want solo content is a copout. The game should of course have good party content, but having good solo content can only help the game more and not hurt it. Because newsflash; if people really enforced this kind of logic half of the crafters who don't prefer to play combat classes wouldn't be here because there's no such thing as party play for crafters.

[Rowyne]

I am so tired of this response (it's not just you Agoven, so this isn't personal).

Have you people ever played another MMO besides FFXI?

Every single MMO (except FFXI) has 1000's of quests which are primarily done solo. It has always been this way and always should be.

Every MMO (except FFXI) has Class/Job quests & Storylines that you can complete solo and at your own pace. It has always been this way and always should be.

Every MMO also has Party-based content that you either need a full party to complete or need to be "over-leveled" in order to complete with a short party or solo.

FFXI was and still is the one and only exception to having tons of solo content and imo is the main reason it was never more popular than it was.

Yes the "point" of an MMO is to play with other people but not all the time 24/7, 7 days a week.

Please stop with this failed "go play a single player offline game" crap. It is really getting old and is just not factual.

I'm so glad someone finally came out and said this.

I don't see how giving players the option of solo content harms those who want to party. Why can't we have both? That other game with over 10 million subscribers gives players that option. In fact, FFXI is the only MMO I've ever played that didn't allow you to progress through a variety of quests and other content that can be completed solo.

Does that make it anything more than a glorified chat room though?

If that's the way someone chooses to play after a hard day's work, so be it. I work in customer service, and there are days I'm tired of dealing with people, but I still want to log on and play. And there are times I craft in silence, just watching LS chat. And it is pretty much playing a game with a chat room inside.

And there are times I want to party up and do serious group content like raids and dungeons. And other times where I want to do not so serious group content like Behests (not to get off topic, but I really hope they expand more on this concept in the future). And often I just want to duo with my husband and spend time with him and no one else. I don't feel like doing the same kind of content all the time.

If I wanted a game where I needed five other people at all times just to wipe my nose... I won't even say it, it's becoming cliche at this point. >.<

[Asiaine]

I'm so glad someone finally came out and said this.

I don't see how giving players the option of solo content harms those who want to party. ....

I think it (the option of solo content) does right now harm those who want to party. And I think there is some evidence to this.....

It is possible to easily solo to level 15.. 20.. 30.. and in some case considered simpler/easier to do so.

This means someone who wants to party at level 15 will have greater difficulty in finding a group of people.

When I first ventured here, it was basically told to me: Go do leves or get PLed until 30, then you can go to Ul'Dah and try to get a party.

If there was NO solo content (inability to do any leves and levelling on mobs was as difficult here as in Vana'diel), we would all be running around the dunes with our flag up getting parties at level 13.


So yes, too much solo content can harm those seeking party play. (And this was just one example, there are plenty more).

I'm not saying we should have no solo content, or less solo content, or more solo content.
I think it is more of a matter of WHAT content is solo, and WHAT content is not.
I also truly believe that the 'pressure/encouragement' to 'party' more often than 'going solo' is one of the differentiators for Final Fantasy and truly sets it apart from the 'Every single MMO' out there.

[Rowyne]

I think it (the option of solo content) does right now harm those who want to party. And I think there is some evidence to this.....

It is possible to easily solo to level 15.. 20.. 30.. and in some case considered simpler/easier to do so.

This means someone who wants to party at level 15 will have greater difficulty in finding a group of people.

When I first ventured here, it was basically told to me: Go do leves or get PLed until 30, then you can go to Ul'Dah and try to get a party.

If there was NO solo content (inability to do any leves and levelling on mobs was as difficult here as in Vana'diel), we would all be running around the dunes with our flag up getting parties at level 13.


So yes, too much solo content can harm those seeking party play. (And this was just one example, there are plenty more).

I'm not saying we should have no solo content, or less solo content, or more solo content.
I think it is more of a matter of WHAT content is solo, and WHAT content is not.
I also truly believe that the 'pressure/encouragement' to 'party' more often than 'going solo' is one of the differentiators for Final Fantasy and truly sets it apart from the 'Every single MMO' out there.

Actually, the problem is not that we have too much solo content, it's that there's not enough party content. Most modern MMO gamers do not find old-school party grinding a la FFXI a desirable activity. Why would they when, like you said, they could do leves which not only yield exp, but also gil, item rewards, faction rep, and count toward achievements. Naked grinding doesn't give you any of that. However, if there were more low-mid level dungeons in this game (like Shposhae and Toto-Rak) that gave people incentive to group up and get not only exp, but also loot/gear, and achievements, you might see more partying.

The answer isn't to force partying on people, but to give them more incentive to do it.

Oh, and this power leveling garbage needs to go.

[Noblewar]

I am so tired of this response (it's not just you Agoven, so this isn't personal).

Have you people ever played another MMO besides FFXI?

Every single MMO (except FFXI) has 1000's of quests which are primarily done solo. It has always been this way and always should be.

Every MMO (except FFXI) has Class/Job quests & Storylines that you can complete solo and at your own pace. It has always been this way and always should be.

Every MMO also has Party-based content that you either need a full party to complete or need to be "over-leveled" in order to complete with a short party or solo.

FFXI was and still is the one and only exception to having tons of solo content and imo is the main reason it was never more popular than it was.

Yes the "point" of an MMO is to play with other people but not all the time 24/7, 7 days a week.

Please stop with this failed "go play a single player offline game" crap. It is really getting old and is just not factual.

p.s. Sorry for the rant...going to bed now...obviously need sleep cuz am getting cranky (although I am old so I am allowed) ;>P

I've played many MMO's and let me tell you something, never did I ever come close to adding the same amount of people to friends list on all the MMO's combined than FFXI.

I don't talk to anyone I've met in any other MMO that isn't FFXI, the only one person I talk to that I met in WoW played FFXI! I still talk to some of my old FFXI through phone and email some every once in a while. I cant say I've ever kept in contact with anyone from any other game. Reason differ but FFXI made you bond with people forcing party play and sharing those memories with them is always going to be better than "hey I can play solo!".

[Xodus84]

Some people like me only get to play for a couple hours a day due to work
I pretty much had to quit FFXI because I wasn't getting my money's worth spending what little time I had looking for a party, then having to go to work an hour later

Same with XIV... I can pretty much only see Ifrit in youtube videos

[lamerider]

solo-ing in mmo and playing single player is different
in mmo you can be civilian that is everywhere
but in single player game , you are forced to be a hero , thats what i dislike to play single game sometimes instead of playing solo in mmo
i just want to be one of them , that is very normal town citizens of Eorzea ( when i solo )
but when i teaming up , things goes more realistic, people starts talking about his real world , and i'm forced to be real person of real world not citizen of Eorzea
oops i should gotta go to some RPing ls maybe