Adding risk to the game?

[Mistyregions]

After a little thought maybe an iron man mode from Runescape? The rewards would be iron man only glamor AMD iron man only gear not only titles etc. Since people LOVE alts on a game you are designed not to have any, this would justify having 32 characters.

[linay]

I do wish we had actual world PvP

I don't mind PVP being in the game, but keep it instanced or in special zones in the world outside of PVE quest locations or make it where all parties have to agree to participate.

After a little thought maybe an iron man mode from Runescape? The rewards would be iron man only glamor AMD iron man only gear not only titles etc. Since people LOVE alts on a game you are designed not to have any, this would justify having 32 characters.

What is it?

[Zfz]

I don't mind PVP being in the game, but keep it instanced or in special zones in the world outside of PVE quest locations or make it where all parties have to agree to participate.

Indeed. One theme I notice, also, is that often a lot of advocates for open world PvP just want to prey on people not interested in PvP. They always back off when the flow of the conversation takes a turn towards separating players into PvP realms where open world PvP is permanently enabled, and PvE realms where there is absolutely no open world PvP, not even the possibility to opt-in. Server transfers are allowed from PvP to PvE realms, but not the other way. And the reason for backing off is always, without an exception, that "too little people would go to the PvP realm."

Essentially, they know people don't like open world PvP, yet they want it added for their own satisfaction and force everybody else to join in---obviously as prey.

Of course, there are also some who are really looking to test their mettle against skilled opponents. But more often than not, those people also realize that they can't order steak in a coffee shop and are already getting their share of PvP thrill in games that are designed for PvP.

In the end open world PvP just doesn't go well in an RPG setting that relies on levels (of both character and gear) to determine strength. The end result is always high level players griefing low level players, raising the barrier of entry for new players and killing the game eventually.

The idea of a player-regulated open-world PvP scene where "police players" hunt those griefers is also a fantasy because there will never be enough police players to make a real difference.

The FFXIV design is about providing a leisurely experience to the vast majority of players, with some element of challenging content to entice the top few percentage of those players. Inevitably, mechanisms that cause the player to lose out for no fault of their own are seen as bad design, hence open world PvP simply doesn't fit with FFXIV.

[SturmChurro]

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Traditionally the way it works is opt in, those players joined a PvP server, whether they are new or not, they chose to join a PvP server - they deserve and should expect to get ganked. Don't like it? Don't roll on a PvP server. I definitely agree it would have to be opt in, at some point. In this game, probably instanced like ESO could work, but the PvP in this game is god awful so it would be doomed from the start.

Personally, I have always ONLY rolled on PvP servers or realms. My WoW characters were on PvP, and if I pick up classic wow - and I probably will - those are going on PvP realms. I feel like I am missing out, and I am playing on a lesser server if that interaction is lost to me completely. ESO's works pretty well, and is active, but that game has other problems - I just don't enjoy it enough to play it as a main game, always in bursts. Problem in current WoW, and probably will happen to classic is one side always has more of an advantage, people will flock to the larger faction, making the lesser faction even more weak - so any players on that lesser faction just end up getting decimated by sheer numbers, and less of a chance for backup.Not just WoW, but games like SWTOR had this with Imps vs. Pubs, etc.

[linay]

Traditionally the way it works is opt in, those players joined a PvP server, whether they are new or not, they chose to join a PvP server - they deserve and should expect to get ganked. Don't like it? Don't roll on a PvP server. I definitely agree it would have to be opt in, at some point. In this game, probably instanced like ESO could work, but the PvP in this game is god awful so it would be doomed from the start.

One potential issue with world PVP is that there might be (increased) desire to restrict/delay flying and there is no way I'd ever want that. I don't care how much risk people want in the world; there better not be any change to the flight system in this game. (In fact, I want them to add flying in ARR zones too even if they are smaller.)