Scholar and Seraph

[Clouse_Cleyra]

I like seraph. Its double aoe its pretty good to heal on e4s while keep doing dps that is very much needed

[P0W3RK1D]

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We have Energy Drain back now. This is not an issue anymore and if you still feel you have "downtime" (which you never should) or "wasted resources" then that's a you problem.

no, no, I appreciate the energy drain, its really helpful. But all we have to spend out aetherflow on is 1 dps ability and about 4 healing/shielding abilities that are not exactly "unique" , it would just be nice to have some neat utility to use it on, y'know?

Okay. So, two things.

1. We don't need more things to spend Aetherflow on.

2. I see issues with this. Reducing CDs by 6 seconds, depending on who you target, may not be worth the loss of an Aetherflow AND this would cause things to misalign for anyone you target with it. And if this was seen as a strong ability to help one player get their damage window up faster again (ie. SAM) then SCH would be completely imbalanced. Because it would be highly sought after so it can just spam one move whenever it had Aetherflow up, greatly reducing what groups would expect from it, giving it less flexible and agency. But I don't think this would ever happen, more likely everyone would just ignore this ability.

I must dissagree on that, the point of this ability is not nessecarily to make the scholar OP or even strong (althought thats probly what this ability would do ). The point of this ability is to make the Job more unique and usefull, giving it a bigger purpose than just a heal and shield factory with a slightly defective pet duct-taped to its ankle. Right now all of the healer jobs have a big blaring issue -- they have different mechanics, but as far as base gameplay goes, they are hardly unique and play more or less the same, and in fights will most likely be played like this. [Shield or regen heal > aoe heal > heal > heal > heal > special heal (ps: special/big heals are petty much all the same) > heal > buff > heal > repeat until the fight is over, taking the time to throw out some dps or damage buffs when possible, even though]. In retrospect this skill feels like it would be fore more of a Time-mage (if ever implemented).

[P0W3RK1D]

Again we don't need more abilities to spend Aetherflow on.

Also, after reading this, I seriously have to ask if you even play FFXIV. You say you do but, like... Elemental strengths and weaknesses? Weird things that happen with elements and somehow this not only mattering, but your abilities elements changing to random ones for... some reason?

again, i must disagree with that, we difenatly DO need more application for Aetherflow. And to answer your question, I dont just PLAY the SCH, I MAIN the SCH, as in, I hardly play anything else. If you Didnt know, there was a Scholar Job in final fantasy 3 , that job had abilities that allowed it to scan an enemies weaknesses, and even remove beneifial effects. thats what inspired this suggested ability, and for the scholar it does make sense, both historicly in the franchise, and thematically. Admitidly the problem is that right now elements, and elemental weaknesses dont play a big role in the game yet, and as is obvious it is usually overlooked.

She's fine. Delaying Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination casts is a you decision.



Why? They have two abilities and neither are even that long. Not only would this be a complete waste but its insanely difficult to target your fairy now anyways.



Why? What would this even do for anyone?

Alright, first off , yes, casting it is a YOU decision, but its a bad decision, i mean, the spells are even RENAMED when Seraph comes out, but low-and-behold they do nothing new or even exciting, they are the exact same skills as Eos/seline, and if i didnt know any better i would say they are there to just waste your Seraph time. And the problem does not just have to do with thoes 2 abilities -- its seraph as a whole. Not just the long recast and short duration, but also her usefulness and loss of direct control in 5.0.
WHen you look at SMN they get 2 big summons in the span of 120 seconds, for 20 seconds each; they both attack WITH the player, and Phenix even has a passive buff when summoned, even the 3 summons that are not the demi summons are cool and each have 2-3 abilities that have CHARGES you can activate on command.
SCH gets only 1 summon, and a slightly red reskin; NO glamours, 3 of the 4 abilities it has has a cooldown that is a minute or longer. the scholars "Demi" summon lasts for only 20 seconds, but in comparison to SMN has twice the cooldown with half the overall effectiveness -- dont get me wrong, Seraph IS usefull, and I would even go as far as to say its a life-saver in a pinch, but its huge wasted potential. its only "unique" cooldown ability is yet another aoe heal that only has the time to be used twice before Seline has to go, and its single target heal is out of the players control.

[P0W3RK1D]

Secondly, I think the Whispering dawn cooldown is..."ok" but fey illumination has the same cooldown as summoning Seraph, thats a bit too long just for a small buff like that. And as far as targeting goes; you are aware that there is a key-binding specifically for targeting your pet....right? in fact, im pretty sure you can even turn it into a macro buttion -- even without all of that, tarting my fairy is not that hard...

They aren't even the same though. Eos and Sleene are Faeries. Not even sure if they are "fey" in FFXIV. The Il Mheg fey are pixies and Nu Mou.

I'd like Glamour but SMN can only glamour into Carbuncles so its different.

Also, they use to be different but one fairy or the other was never used, depending on balance, because the other was just flat out better.

Ok, now I know your screwing with me XD. Bruh....Faries > Fey. ITS IN THE NAME! they even have a skill called FEY Illumination, FEY blessing, FEY union! A fairy is a Fey creature by definition. Get outta here with that XD.
Even if SMN can only glamour carbuncles, atleast its something , and it even makes sense lore-wise.

And the fact that only one fairy (eos/seline) was primarily used tells you there was a problem with seline being far less useful, i can almost guarentee you if SE had have seline a unique, more useful ability that eos didnt have she would have been far more used, but it was simply wasted potential.

I know a lot of you don't want to hear this, but: SCH is fine being a position where it isn't blatantly the most overpowered Healer. It does not need to be the "must-have" choice so WHM and AST fight over the second spot while it sits comfy. SCH is fine for the most part, it needs to be ironed out but it is currently decent. And being decent is perfectly reasonable with the current state of things. I know its hard, SCH has been riding high since its release basically but chill, it doesn't need to be the best every expansion.

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I dont disagree with you on the part that SCH is decent, and in fact , I personally would PREFER that SCH wasnt the best in each expansion (i like the challenge -- however when we went into 5.0 a large chunk of what made the healers (referring to AST and SCH) unique and fun was ripped from them and replaced with more of the same.

Oh, and my apologies for the world war 2 highschool essay length response XD, i just had to aress everything -- im not doing that again, just burnt an hour...that want by too fast XD

[Duskane]

I was more excited for sacred soil trait than seraph tbqh

She seems a little tacked on but Bahamut did aswell since job quest doesn't mention any thing about it

[Brandedblade]

Fey Illumination is good though. Its cooldown lines up with deploy which means you can use it buff shields. The other big thing is the fact it not only affects you and your fairy, but also your cohealer and any potential paladins and red mages in your group.

Not to mention if you do pop it during Seraph you buff any Seraphic Veils she throws out while under it.

The 5% magic mitigation element of it is a tad weak yes, but considering most raidwide damage is magical, the fact you're liking already using this to buff an adlo deploy that just means the mitigation is just a small cherry on top.

[odym82]

I’d play SCH if I could glamour the faeries as Moogles

[Mansion]

I like the idea of Seraph, but I mistakenly thought that using Fairy actions under Seraph would be buffed (because their name and icons changed), when they actually have the same potency.
While keeping Illumination aligned with Seraph buffs Consolation and one Regen every two minutes, I feel it's a bit underwhelming.

But then, do we need more healing power? I'm not sure either.

[Deceptus]

I like the idea of Seraph, but I mistakenly thought that using Fairy actions under Seraph would be buffed (because their name and icons changed), when they actually have the same potency.
While keeping Illumination aligned with Seraph buffs Consolation and one Regen every two minutes, I feel it's a bit underwhelming.

But then, do we need more healing power? I'm not sure either.

This is essentially my take on it. Why have new abilities if they're exactly the same as the old ones.

[nalol]

usually I feel my 2nd consolation is wasted.
I rarelly need 2 coz u rarely need 2 AoE succor in a row .. with 15sec interval. I'd prefer 1 charge, stronger. or make all the fey abilities stronger while seraph is up.

it's not like bahamut whre u want to squeeze as many dps as possible. If consolation is useless, u will .; at best overheal and clip or weave.