For the love of Halone can we not 3v3

[Gula]

I've always liked the changes to PvP for a simplified hotbar. I enjoy knowing where all my buttons are in an easy to remember even in panic situations format instead of staring at my hotbar for cooldowns. The situational awareness with decreased tunnel vision is great. I like the environment even if Shatter sometimes trips me up with routes around enemy lines.

What I don't like?

3v3

Especially in 24 man vs 72. With 72, it's a mess, but a fun one. The swarming back and forth is really cool and reminds me of old, tactical games I used to play. But I don't like having to deal with 12/24 facetious people who will trample on your win because they have no hope. Yes I'm salty.

I think something akin to Shatter but only with 2 teams would be more interesting than the ever unplayed modes with 20 heaping mechanics and factors. Something simple, see how it plays out. Protect the [thing] at each team's base, a deadlier form of footbal/soccer/basketball in which someone has to deliver X to Y. I'm no game designer, but I would like to see concepts apparent in other games but in XIV fashion. Simple doesn't have to mean easy either, but fun. I really don't think 3v3 is fun.

[BloodRubyXII]

That... isn't 3v3. It's closer to a WvWvW model (or in this case, it's Faction v Faction v Faction).

[Gula]

1v1v1 then. Still. It's an odd number, and imbalanced by nature should any side decide to team up with the other and can lead to some grueling matches.

I like Feast (when the queue isn't 25 minutes anyway) because it's 1 team vs another. It's a matter of skill and exciting. 1v1v1 is not. I would like to see something new with better numbers. And by numbers, I mean different match set ups.

[NyneSwordz]

Not sure ur using "facetious" right.

[Gula]

Not sure ur using "facetious" right.

And "Geezer was doin' his nut" is a way to say a character was acting mad. You understand what it is I'm trying to say, and thus, it works Sir Dictionary.

[awesomega]

If you want to see 3 team pvp play out like they envisioned play on mana.

The problem with 1v1 is that you have to add ridiculous comeback mechanics to keep the match interesting over a period of time that it warps classic pvp as we know it.

[Gula]

If you want to see 3 team pvp play out like they envisioned play on mana.

The problem with 1v1 is that you have to add ridiculous comeback mechanics to keep the match interesting over a period of time that it warps classic pvp as we know it.

If only PVP was cross DC. Different structure, but it would be awesome to have proper world wide PVP. I know JP players would wreck me but at least queue times might not be half an hour.

Still, I'd like to see something that isn't what we have now in terms of team play. Open world would be an interesting experiment at least as long as it has about as much story tied to it as Rival Wings. Halatali, that one /vpose duty, Hullbreaker Ilse and Masked Carnival are proof that some people just want to watch Adventurers and the WoL fight fight fight and that has a ton of avenues open for small scale turned 72 man instances.

[Divinemights]

You have a visible failure in front of you already. Non of the World PvP, arena, battleground, or even the epic balleground. It is always end up as boring one side Zerg feast. They have to force people to do arena or PvP or any kind by tied to the PvE. 1 v 1 battle is always boring and that is why Rival Wing was never able to replace Frontline

[Murph]

1v1v1 Isn't really hard to master, there are proven tactics on how to win, despite double teams. The problem is communication, timing and execution.

Yes, it's much easier with a premade, but you can do it with a PUG, sadly as anyone who has tried to lead frontline groups for any extended period of time knows, it wears on you and you get tired of people not listening, or exclaiming bad information to the rest of the group.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

You have a visible failure in front of you already. Non of the World PvP, arena, battleground, or even the epic balleground. It is always end up as boring one side Zerg feast. They have to force people to do arena or PvP or any kind by tied to the PvE. 1 v 1 battle is always boring and that is why Rival Wing was never able to replace Frontline

I'd argue Rival Wings not having a Daily Challenge / Roulette is doing it less favor than the amount of teams. Frontlines has a roulette bonus, Rival Wings not.